[NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality

Wed Aug 15 20:44:59 PDT 2007

I would say that nowhere in the Bible does it even suggest that this is the
way God works. I would ask her to speak with her pastor, etc to clarify that
this is so and to see why she feels that way.
Dave
On 8/15/07 10:58 PM, "Phil Noe" <phil_noe at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> Ok-Here's an interesting spiritual / religious clinical
> question ->  How would you handle this scenario? I
> recently say a child with a chronic incurrable and life
> shortening illness.  The mom who is very involved in her
> local congregation carried a good bit of guilt and told
> me that as she studied her Religious book she believed
> that if she could lead a good enough life that her child
> would be cured but she had not achieved that yet was
> still trying.  She obviously felt that the illness was
> somewhat her fault.  After telling me this , she then
> paused for me to reply - what would you say?
> 
> Phil Noe
> Pediatric Pulmonology and Sleep Medicine
> Children's Hospital
> Knoxville, TN
> 
> 
> --- Calif NP <np at c-zone.net> wrote:
> 
>> There are numerous health care providers who
>> deliberately or unwittingly
>> unrelentlessly proselytize to their patients, often in
>> subtle ways such as
>> verbalizing religion based quotes or offering prayer
>> for someone's
>> difficulties (a kind gesture which I appreciate). But,
>> it is compelling that
>> we support the ethic that in a society based on secular
>> respect for others
>> beliefs this may not be appropriate, especially in
>> areas/populations which
>> are medically underserved.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dena" <galdena at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NP Clinical'" <np-clinical at nurse.net>
>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:20 AM
>> Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
>> closed -
>> Prayforworldsobriety
>> 
>> 
>>> I'm sorry-- perhaps I've misunderstood the purpose of
>> this professional NP
>>> listserve after 13+ yrs of being an active member....
>> I had no idea I had
>>> signed up for a "religious NP" listserve. Or perhaps
>> the mission statement
>>> of the list changed somewhere along the line when I
>> was out of town. Or
>>> perhaps the official Email announcing the changes
>> ended up in my junk mail
>>> box and I just never saw it. Or perhaps newer members
>> are just ignorant of
>>> common proper netiquette because it isn't spelled out
>> in big bold letters
>>> somewhere. If this list had a moderator/administrator
>> (I nominate Andy!!),
>>> I'm sure these discussions would not be allowed.
>>> 
>>> This is NOT the platform to discuss PERSONAL
>> religious beliefs-- of ANY
>>> kind... I'm sure there are other, more appropriate,
>> venues for that.
>> Perhaps
>>> those that are interested in exchanging prayers and
>> religious ideology can
>>> form their own listserve on NPCentral and leave this
>> one to its intended
>>> purpose???
>>> 
>>> The ONLY time I think religion and politics have any
>> place on the list is
>> AS
>>> THEY APPLY TO PATIENT CARE AND RESTRICTION OF OUR OWN
>> PRACTICE and then it
>>> should be as IMPERSONAL as possible. The two subjects
>> are very sensitive
>> and
>>> volatile and people's feelings can too easily get
>> hurt. It's just NOT
>>> necessary. I could care less about the personal
>> religious beliefs of
>> ANYONE
>>> on this listserve-- it is immaterial to NPInfo and
>> NP-Clinical. I find it
>>> real hard to believe that some on this list actually
>> believe their own
>>> personal religious views have any bearing on
>> discussions of NP issues-- or
>>> that others care to hear about it.
>>> Dena Galler
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
>> [mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net]
>>> On Behalf Of Joanne DaCunha
>>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:20 AM
>>> To: NP Clinical
>>> Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
>> closed - Pray
>>> forworldsobriety
>>> 
>>> Interesting that it is NOT ok to post a prayer  but
>> perfectly OK to
>>> ridicule that same religion. Perhaps I should not
>> express my view, but
>>> religion, or lack thereof, is part of one's culture,
>> just as any other
>>> part of their beliefs. It's not something that anyone
>> should ignore to
>>> be a whole person. I happen to not agree that
>> religion and politics
>>> should NOT be out of the social discussion context. I
>> think it teaches
>>> all of us how to have civilized discourse with those
>> with whom we
>>> disagree and allows disallows those who intend to
>> disrupt the beliefs of
>>> others to continue their efforts "underground"
>> without ever being
>>> challenged. Putting those issues on the discussion
>> table allows each of
>>> us to learn the beauty of others' culture and beliefs
>> and learn what we
>>> need to understand and live respectfully with others,
>> and that is a good
>>> thing.
>>> Joanne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
>>> [mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf Of
>> Linda Marie De Zago
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 11:20 PM
>>> To: 'NP Clinical'
>>> Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
>> closed - Pray for
>>> worldsobriety
>>> 
>>> Love it!!!
>>> This is going in my favorite folder.
>>> What a great way to end the weekend.
>>> Thanks for the laugh.
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
>>> [mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net]
>>> On Behalf Of np at c-zone.net
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:40 PM
>>> To: NP Clinical
>>> Subject: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
>> closed - Pray for world
>>> sobriety
>>> 
>>> Politically Incorrect Humor Warning!!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Read on at your own eternal peril, read on at the
>> risk of.........
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "SIPPING VODKA"
>>> 
>>> A new priest at his first mass was so nervous he
>> could hardly speak.
>>> After mass he asked the monsignor how he had done.
>> The monsignor
>>> replied, "When I am worried about getting nervous On
>> the pulpit, I put a
>>> glass of vodka next to the water glass. If I start to
>> get nervous, I
>>> take a sip."
>>> So next Sunday he took the monsignor's advice.  At
>> the beginning of the
>>> sermon, he got nervous and took a drink.
>>> He proceeded to talk up a storm.  Upon his return to
>> his office after
>>> the mass, he found the following note on the door:
>>> 
>>> 1) Sip the vodka, don't gulp.
>>> 
>>> 2) There are 10 commandments, not 12.
>>> 
>>> 3) There are 12 disciples, not 10
>>> 
>>> 4) Jesus was consecrated, not constipated.
>>> 
>>> 5) Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet his ass.
>>> 
>>> 6) We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late J.C.
>>> 
>>> 7) The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not referred
>> to as Daddy, Junior
>>> and the spooky.
>>> 8) David slew Goliath, he did not kick the sh*t out
>> of him.
>>> 
>>> 9) When David was hit by a rock and was knocked off
>> his donkey, don't
>>> say he was stoned off his ass.
>>> 
>>> 10)We do! not refer to the cross as the "Big T."
>>> 
>>> 11) When Jesus broke the bread at the last supper he
>> said, "take this
>>> and eat it for it is my body." He did not say " Eat
>> me"
>>> 
>>> 12 The recommended grace before a meal is not:
>> Rub-A-Dub-Dub 
> === message truncated ===
> 
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