OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not closed - Prayforworldsobriety

Thu Aug 16 12:21:25 PDT 2007

My original post was to EVERYONE on the list to remind them that this is a professional listserve with people from varying backgrounds participating and to please refrain from posting personal religious and political beliefs online where it is inappropriate. Not an unreasonable request in light of all the rules of netiquette on other professional listserves. That is ALL I wrote. You are certainly free to delete any and all of my posts-- I could care less. Frankly, it's just not that darn important to me <G>. My feelings aren't hurt in the least....
  Dena Galler

"Smith, Melissa" <SmithMS at umkc.edu> wrote:
  Dena,
Can you let it go? Your response to the new comer in a public response
is what started this to begin with, s you chastised her in a public
response rather than doing it privately. I know to just delete any
responses you make in the future.
Melissa

-----Original Message-----
From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
[mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf Of Calif NP
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:46 AM
To: NP Clinical
Subject: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not closed -
Prayforworldsobriety

There are numerous health care providers who deliberately or unwittingly
unrelentlessly proselytize to their patients, often in subtle ways such
as
verbalizing religion based quotes or offering prayer for someone's
difficulties (a kind gesture which I appreciate). But, it is compelling
that
we support the ethic that in a society based on secular respect for
others
beliefs this may not be appropriate, especially in areas/populations
which
are medically underserved.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dena" 
To: "'NP Clinical'" 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:20 AM
Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not closed -
Prayforworldsobriety

> I'm sorry-- perhaps I've misunderstood the purpose of this
professional NP
> listserve after 13+ yrs of being an active member.... I had no idea I
had
> signed up for a "religious NP" listserve. Or perhaps the mission
statement
> of the list changed somewhere along the line when I was out of town.
Or
> perhaps the official Email announcing the changes ended up in my junk
mail
> box and I just never saw it. Or perhaps newer members are just
ignorant of
> common proper netiquette because it isn't spelled out in big bold
letters
> somewhere. If this list had a moderator/administrator (I nominate
Andy!!),
> I'm sure these discussions would not be allowed.
>
> This is NOT the platform to discuss PERSONAL religious beliefs-- of
ANY
> kind... I'm sure there are other, more appropriate, venues for that.
Perhaps
> those that are interested in exchanging prayers and religious ideology
can
> form their own listserve on NPCentral and leave this one to its
intended
> purpose???
>
> The ONLY time I think religion and politics have any place on the list
is
AS
> THEY APPLY TO PATIENT CARE AND RESTRICTION OF OUR OWN PRACTICE and
then it
> should be as IMPERSONAL as possible. The two subjects are very
sensitive
and
> volatile and people's feelings can too easily get hurt. It's just NOT
> necessary. I could care less about the personal religious beliefs of
ANYONE
> on this listserve-- it is immaterial to NPInfo and NP-Clinical. I find
it
> real hard to believe that some on this list actually believe their own
> personal religious views have any bearing on discussions of NP
issues-- or
> that others care to hear about it.
> Dena Galler
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
[mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net]
> On Behalf Of Joanne DaCunha
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:20 AM
> To: NP Clinical
> Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not closed - Pray
> forworldsobriety
>
> Interesting that it is NOT ok to post a prayer but perfectly OK to
> ridicule that same religion. Perhaps I should not express my view, but
> religion, or lack thereof, is part of one's culture, just as any other
> part of their beliefs. It's not something that anyone should ignore to
> be a whole person. I happen to not agree that religion and politics
> should NOT be out of the social discussion context. I think it teaches
> all of us how to have civilized discourse with those with whom we
> disagree and allows disallows those who intend to disrupt the beliefs
of
> others to continue their efforts "underground" without ever being
> challenged. Putting those issues on the discussion table allows each
of
> us to learn the beauty of others' culture and beliefs and learn what
we
> need to understand and live respectfully with others, and that is a
good
> thing.
> Joanne
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
> [mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf Of Linda Marie De
Zago
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 11:20 PM
> To: 'NP Clinical'
> Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not closed - Pray for
> worldsobriety
>
> Love it!!!
> This is going in my favorite folder.
> What a great way to end the weekend.
> Thanks for the laugh.
>
> Linda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
> [mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net]
> On Behalf Of np at c-zone.net
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:40 PM
> To: NP Clinical
> Subject: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not closed - Pray for
world
> sobriety
>
> Politically Incorrect Humor Warning!!!
>
>
>
> Read on at your own eternal peril, read on at the risk of.........
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "SIPPING VODKA"
>
> A new priest at his first mass was so nervous he could hardly speak.
> After mass he asked the monsignor how he had done. The monsignor
> replied, "When I am worried about getting nervous On the pulpit, I put
a
> glass of vodka next to the water glass. If I start to get nervous, I
> take a sip."
> So next Sunday he took the monsignor's advice. At the beginning of
the
> sermon, he got nervous and took a drink.
> He proceeded to talk up a storm. Upon his return to his office after
> the mass, he found the following note on the door:
>
> 1) Sip the vodka, don't gulp.
>
> 2) There are 10 commandments, not 12.
>
> 3) There are 12 disciples, not 10
>
> 4) Jesus was consecrated, not constipated.
>
> 5) Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet his ass.
>
> 6) We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late J.C.
>
> 7) The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not referred to as Daddy,
Junior
> and the spooky.
> 8) David slew Goliath, he did not kick the sh*t out of him.
>
> 9) When David was hit by a rock and was knocked off his donkey, don't
> say he was stoned off his ass.
>
> 10)We do! not refer to the cross as the "Big T."
>
> 11) When Jesus broke the bread at the last supper he said, "take this
> and eat it for it is my body." He did not say " Eat me"
>
> 12 The recommended grace before a meal is not: Rub-A-Dub-Dub thanks
for
> the grub, Yeah God.
>
> Next Sunday there will be a taffy pulling contest at ST.Peter's not a
> p**** pulling contest at St. Taffy's.
>
> Pray for Sober Priests!
>
>
> > Shelby: Generally agree. People should not take for granted that all
> > people believe the same things they do.
> > I think if you need prayers and believe in them, it is wonderful but
> > please ask for them.
> > This is all so strange for me to justify as if it helps people and
> > hurts no one (and that is the clue) why not help?
> > Peace 2 all.
> > Dave
> >
> > On 8/10/07 11:09 PM, "Shelby Havens" 
wrote:
> >
> >> Dena has a good point. If you don't want to participate in a
> >> particular thread, just delete it and let others respond as they
> like. No big deal.
> >> There are no message police here.
> >>
> >> My opinion, not that anyone asked, is that although this is a
> >> professional listserve, we are human beings, and prayers, poems,
> >> anecdotes, jokes, puns, and an occasional photograph reflects parts
> >> of our culture and humanity.
> >> Sharing these things enhances the quality of our lives and and our
> >> interactions with fellow list members. A prayer might not be
> >> meaningful to me, but it may make someone else's day. Let it be.
> >>
> >> Peace to all,
> >>
> >> Shelby Havens, ARNP
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Diana Galler 
> >>> Reply-To: NP Clinical 
> >>> To: NP Clinical 
> >>> Subject: RE: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not closed
> >>> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
> >>>
> >>> Linda--
> >>> You have the right to express your thoughts, feelings, and
opinons
>
> >>> any time you'd like. As Stephanie pointed out, no one on the list
> >>> has the right to "close" any discussion or prevent anyone from
> >>> speaking out. And, as you can see, even if anyone WAS to try it,
it
> >>> wouldn't work anyway! 
> >>> Dena Galler
> >>>
> >>> Linda Marie De Zago 
wrote:
> >>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:*
> >>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
> >>> shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
> >>> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Dear Stephanie (and any
> >>> others) -
> >>>
> >>> My deepest apologies.
> >>>
> >>> I am sure that you did not realize that I had not verbalized my
> >>> opinion earlier.
> >>>
> >>> I was going through a week's worth of e-mails and responded to
the
>
> >>> thread without realizing that the subject had been discussed and
> >>> "closed".
> >>>
> >>> I am glad that I had the opportunity to share my thoughts with
all
>
> >>> of you here in cyber-world and hope that I am kept in mind when
> >>> sending warm wishes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Warmly - Linda
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
> >>> [mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf Of
> >>> stephanie2u at optonline.net
> >>> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:39 PM
> >>> To: NP Clinical
> >>> Subject: Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not closed
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My own personal opinion is that professional listserves should
> >>> be religion-neutral. It all comes down to the traditional rule
about
>
> >>> avoiding politics and religion in social contexts, more especially
> >>> when you're not well acquainted with the folks you are addressing.
> >>> This is showing respect for the fact that everyone feels
differently
>
> >>> and their opinions don't have to be reconciled.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> And those of us who wish to continue discussing any particular
> >>> topic here will continue it, despite the people who keep
announcing
> >>> that the subject is closed. Most of us have the ability to delete
> >>> messages without reading them if we're not interested in the
> >>> subject. There's nothing wrong with healthy debate carried on in a
> >>> courteous way. It looks to me like there are some people who are
> >>> still interested in this thread since Linda just now spoke up.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Stephanie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Linda Marie De Zago
> >>>
> >>> Date: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:27 am
> >>> Subject: [NP-Clinical] Please send all transcultural prayers here!
> >>> To: 'NP Clinical'
> >>>
> >>>> I thought the prayer was beautiful and worthwhile of sharing. In
> >>>> South Florida trans-cultural sensitivity and understanding is a
> >>>> priority. If it is deemed to be offensive on this list then
please
> >>>> send all prayers regardlessof faith (or lack thereof) to my
> >>>> personal e-mail:
> >>>> LindaMarie76 at msn.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Linda
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _____
> >>>>
> >>>> From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:np-clinical-
> >>>> bounces at nurse.net]On Behalf Of Diana Galler
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 1:50 PM
> >>>> To: NP Clinical
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NP-Clinical] Beautiful prayer
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hold on-- holy crap-- no where did I even state my OWN religous
> >>>> beliefs (or lack thereof). And that's for a good reason-- it's no
> >>>> one's business on this list what my religous beliefs (or lack of)
> >>>> are. So, please don't assume any of you know WHAT they are or
> >>>> whether you agree or disagree with them! I could be a nun writing
> >>>> from a convent, I could be an Islamic fundamentalistwriting from
a
> >>>> cave in Afganhanistan, I could be a Buddist monk writing from a
> >>>> Chinese prison, I could be a born-again writing from a soapbox on
a
>
> >>>> busy street corner, I could be writing in a trance from a
spirtual
> >>>> retreat, I could be writing as I'm dancing naked around a fire in
a
>
> >>>> forest praying to the supreme Goddess. You don't know... and does
> >>>> it make any difference on this PROFESSIONAL listserve who I'm
> >>>> praying to or not praying to? That's the point I'm trying to
> >>>> make... I certainly wasn't putting my OWN beliefs out there in
> >>>> public as I was asking someone else NOT to do the same .
> >>>>
> >>>> Dena
> >>>>
> >>>> (okay-- I confess that I'm NOT a nun writing from a convent....)
> >>>>
> >>>> Venda Kelley wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ????? Please sign your posts. It makes it easier to address you
in
> >>>> a professional manner.
> >>>>
> >>>> I do not feel Dena was rude in her comments. She deferred to the
> >>>> writer'sviews, but gave her opinion on the validity of those
> >>>> statements in the venue they were presented. Please don't be
> >>>> offended. I do not agree with Dena's religious beliefs ( or lack
> >>>> of), but I understand her position and I would have to agree that
> >>>> this venue is no place for such comments.
> >>>> Sending a
> >>>> private message to the intended recipient would have been more
> >>>> appropriate.
> >>>> Venda
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8/8/07 8:13 AM, "tudorancea at earthlink.net"
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> How do I unsubscribe from this list? I thought Dena's response as
a
>
> >>>> nurse was very insensitive, irregardless of what her personal
> >>>> beliefs are. As a professional, we are required to be therapeutic
> >>>> in ALL our interactions in cluding our interactions with our
peers.
>
> >>>> There was a nicer way to politely say what needed to be said.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Diana Galler
> >>>>
> >>>> To: NP Clinical
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent: 8/7/2007 10:44:47 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NP-Clinical] Beautiful prayer
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sorry, I realize you're new to the list but, with all due
> >>>> respect, can you please keep prayers off this professional
> >>>> list-serve? Not all of us believe in Saints, statues, or even God
> >>>> and this is not the venue to discuss or debate the issue. Thank
you
>
> >>>> Dena Galler
> >>>>
> >>>> Patricia.Thompson at hattiesburgclinic.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Good Morning Everyone,
> >>>> I received an email and I thought about Kim and her husband.
> >>>> Saint Theresa
> >>>> is known as the Saint of Little Ways because she believed in
doing
> >>>> the little things in life well and with great love. She is
> >>>> represented by roses. May everyone who receives this message be
> >>>> blessed. There is nothing attached. Prayer is one of the best
free
> >>>> gifts we receive. I am praying for you and your husband Kim and
> >>>> everyone else be blessed.
> >>>>
> >>>> St. Theresa's Prayer:
> >>>>
> >>>> May today there be peace within. May you trust God that you are
> >>>> exactlywhere you are meant to be.
> >>>> May you not forget the infinite possibilities that are born of
> >>>> faith. May you use those gifts that you have received and pass on
> >>>> the love that has been given to you. May you be content knowing
you
>
> >>>> are a child of God.
> >>>> Let this presence settle into your bones, and allow your soul the
> >>>> freedom to sing, dance, praise and love.
> >>>> It is there for each and every one of us. Amen
> >>>>
> >>>> Patricia T CFNP
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>> http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/np-clinical
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _____
> >>>>
> >>>>
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