[NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality

Thu Aug 16 12:53:26 PDT 2007

Me too!!!!
Dave

On 8/16/07 2:46 PM, "stephanie2u at optonline.net" <stephanie2u at optonline.net>
wrote:

> I would say, "There is nothing you could have possibly done to prevent this.
> This is a tremendous blow and it's not unusual for you to ask those questions
> because we all want to believe we can prevent bad things from happening to our
> children. However, the most religious people, and their loved ones, do get
> sick and die, no matter how devout they are. If you believe in the power of
> prayer, you may find comfort in and derive strength from prayer." Of course,
> there would be more than that, but that's the bare bones.
>  
> Stephanie Walker, FNP
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phil Noe 
> Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:00 pm
> Subject: [NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality
> To: NP Clinical 
> 
>> > 
>> > Ok-Here's an interesting spiritual / religious clinical
>> > question -> How would you handle this scenario? I
>> > recently say a child with a chronic incurrable and life
>> > shortening illness. The mom who is very involved in her
>> > local congregation carried a good bit of guilt and told
>> > me that as she studied her Religious book she believed
>> > that if she could lead a good enough life that her child
>> > would be cured but she had not achieved that yet was
>> > still trying. She obviously felt that the illness was
>> > somewhat her fault. After telling me this , she then
>> > paused for me to reply - what would you say?
>> > 
>> > Phil Noe
>> > Pediatric Pulmonology and Sleep Medicine
>> > Children's Hospital
>> > Knoxville, TN
>> > 
>> > 
>> > --- Calif NP wrote:
>> > 
>>> > > There are numerous health care providers who
>>> > > deliberately or unwittingly
>>> > > unrelentlessly proselytize to their patients, often in
>>> > > subtle ways such as
>>> > > verbalizing religion based quotes or offering prayer
>>> > > for someone's
>>> > > difficulties (a kind gesture which I appreciate). But,
>>> > > it is compelling that
>>> > > we support the ethic that in a society based on secular
>>> > > respect for others
>>> > > beliefs this may not be appropriate, especially in
>>> > > areas/populations which
>>> > > are medically underserved.
>>> > > 
>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > > From: "Dena"
>>> > > To: "'NP Clinical'"
>>> > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:20 AM
>>> > > Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
>>> > > closed -
>>> > > Prayforworldsobriety
>>> > > 
>>> > > 
>>>> > > > I'm sorry-- perhaps I've misunderstood the purpose of
>>> > > this professional NP
>>>> > > > listserve after 13+ yrs of being an active member....
>>> > > I had no idea I had
>>>> > > > signed up for a "religious NP" listserve. Or perhaps
>>> > > the mission statement
>>>> > > > of the list changed somewhere along the line when I
>>> > > was out of town. Or
>>>> > > > perhaps the official Email announcing the changes
>>> > > ended up in my junk mail
>>>> > > > box and I just never saw it. Or perhaps newer members
>>> > > are just ignorant of
>>>> > > > common proper netiquette because it isn't spelled out
>>> > > in big bold letters
>>>> > > > somewhere. If this list had a moderator/administrator
>>> > > (I nominate Andy!!),
>>>> > > > I'm sure these discussions would not be allowed.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > This is NOT the platform to discuss PERSONAL
>>> > > religious beliefs-- of ANY
>>>> > > > kind... I'm sure there are other, more appropriate,
>>> > > venues for that.
>>> > > Perhaps
>>>> > > > those that are interested in exchanging prayers and
>>> > > religious ideology can
>>>> > > > form their own listserve on NPCentral and leave this
>>> > > one to its intended
>>>> > > > purpose???
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > The ONLY time I think religion and politics have any
>>> > > place on the list is
>>> > > AS
>>>> > > > THEY APPLY TO PATIENT CARE AND RESTRICTION OF OUR OWN
>>> > > PRACTICE and then it
>>>> > > > should be as IMPERSONAL as possible. The two subjects
>>> > > are very sensitive
>>> > > and
>>>> > > > volatile and people's feelings can too easily get
>>> > > hurt. It's just NOT
>>>> > > > necessary. I could care less about the personal
>>> > > religious beliefs of
>>> > > ANYONE
>>>> > > > on this listserve-- it is immaterial to NPInfo and
>>> > > NP-Clinical. I find it
>>>> > > > real hard to believe that some on this list actually
>>> > > believe their own
>>>> > > > personal religious views have any bearing on
>>> > > discussions of NP issues-- or
>>>> > > > that others care to hear about it.
>>>> > > > Dena Galler
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > > > From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
>>> > > [mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net]
>>>> > > > On Behalf Of Joanne DaCunha
>>>> > > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:20 AM
>>>> > > > To: NP Clinical
>>>> > > > Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
>>> > > closed - Pray
>>>> > > > forworldsobriety
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Interesting that it is NOT ok to post a prayer but
>>> > > perfectly OK to
>>>> > > > ridicule that same religion. Perhaps I should not
>>> > > express my view, but
>>>> > > > religion, or lack thereof, is part of one's culture,
>>> > > just as any other
>>>> > > > part of their beliefs. It's not something that anyone
>>> > > should ignore to
>>>> > > > be a whole person. I happen to not agree that
>>> > > religion and politics
>>>> > > > should NOT be out of the social discussion context. I
>>> > > think it teaches
>>>> > > > all of us how to have civilized discourse with those
>>> > > with whom we
>>>> > > > disagree and allows disallows those who intend to
>>> > > disrupt the beliefs of
>>>> > > > others to continue their efforts "underground"
>>> > > without ever being
>>>> > > > challenged. Putting those issues on the discussion
>>> > > table allows each of
>>>> > > > us to learn the beauty of others' culture and beliefs
>>> > > and learn what we
>>>> > > > need to understand and live respectfully with others,
>>> > > and that is a good
>>>> > > > thing.
>>>> > > > Joanne
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > > > From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
>>>> > > > [mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf Of
>>> > > Linda Marie De Zago
>>>> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 11:20 PM
>>>> > > > To: 'NP Clinical'
>>>> > > > Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
>>> > > closed - Pray for
>>>> > > > worldsobriety
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Love it!!!
>>>> > > > This is going in my favorite folder.
>>>> > > > What a great way to end the weekend.
>>>> > > > Thanks for the laugh.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Linda
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > > > From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
>>>> > > > [mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net]
>>>> > > > On Behalf Of np at c-zone.net
>>>> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:40 PM
>>>> > > > To: NP Clinical
>>>> > > > Subject: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
>>> > > closed - Pray for world
>>>> > > > sobriety
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Politically Incorrect Humor Warning!!!
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Read on at your own eternal peril, read on at the
>>> > > risk of.........
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > "SIPPING VODKA"
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > A new priest at his first mass was so nervous he
>>> > > could hardly speak.
>>>> > > > After mass he asked the monsignor how he had done.
>>> > > The monsignor
>>>> > > > replied, "When I am worried about getting nervous On
>>> > > the pulpit, I put a
>>>> > > > glass of vodka next to the water glass. If I start to
>>> > > get nervous, I
>>>> > > > take a sip."
>>>> > > > So next Sunday he took the monsignor's advice. At
>>> > > the beginning of the
>>>> > > > sermon, he got nervous and took a drink.
>>>> > > > He proceeded to talk up a storm. Upon his return to
>>> > > his office after
>>>> > > > the mass, he found the following note on the door:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 1) Sip the vodka, don't gulp.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 2) There are 10 commandments, not 12.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 3) There are 12 disciples, not 10
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 4) Jesus was consecrated, not constipated.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 5) Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet his ass.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 6) We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late J.C.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 7) The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not referred
>>> > > to as Daddy, Junior
>>>> > > > and the spooky.
>>>> > > > 8) David slew Goliath, he did not kick the sh*t out
>>> > > of him.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 9) When David was hit by a rock and was knocked off
>>> > > his donkey, don't
>>>> > > > say he was stoned off his ass.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 10)We do! not refer to the cross as the "Big T."
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 11) When Jesus broke the bread at the last supper he
>>> > > said, "take this
>>>> > > > and eat it for it is my body." He did not say " Eat
>>> > > me"
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 12 The recommended grace before a meal is not:
>>> > > Rub-A-Dub-Dub
>> > === message truncated ===
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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