[NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality

Thu Aug 16 13:38:18 PDT 2007

Anyone but me think it is about time to collectively drop this subject and
move on to something clinical.  Just my 2 cents.  This has been driven into
the ground, just my 2 cents.
Sue Emmite MSN RN FNP

On 8/16/07, prispunnyfnp at metrocast.net <prispunnyfnp at metrocast.net> wrote:
>
> Let's collectivelly refer to them as SYBIL (AKA multiplistic
> personalities)
> Sybil Disobedience you might say.  Sybillance (I need to take the time to
> look this word up but love how Tom Hanks said it when he played
> Aerosmith's
> Roadie Crew for Soundcheck on the classic Saturday Night Live Skit).
> Or NP Jekyll and Mr Hide.
> Punchily,
>
> Priscilla
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Diana Galler galdena at sbcglobal.net
> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:52:58 -0700 (PDT)
> To: np-clinical at nurse.net
> Subject: Re: [NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality
>
>
> Or it could be separate responses from "D" and "Gina".
>   Dena Galler
>
> stephanie2u at optonline.net wrote:
>     Hmm, I just responded to a very different comment from this very same
> email on this very same topic. What is this, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde?
>
>   Stephanie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Calif NP
> Date: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:27 am
> Subject: Re: [NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality
> To: NP Clinical
>
> > Once you determine what a client/patient's spiritual grounding
> > is, whether
> > they follow a particular faith/church/etc. you can then steer
> > them better:
> > There are many social service organizations throughout
> > California which have
> > grief counselors who have a spiritual grounding, and they are readily
> > available to counsel, comfort, and provide excellent follow-on counsel
> > appropriate to the individual's spiritual underpinnings. There
> > are also
> > organizations such as the Salvation Army, Catholic Social
> > Services, etc.
> > which have nearly immediate services, almost like calling "911"
> > for a lay
> > chaplain to swoop in an provide comfort, counsel and to steer to
> > an array of
> > additional services per the needs of the individual case. Thess
> > groups can
> > also provide a catalyst for the reinvigoration of the patients
> > spirituality.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phil Noe"
>
> > To: "NP Clinical"
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:58 PM
> > Subject: [NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality
> >
> > > Ok-Here's an interesting spiritual / religious clinical
> > > question -> How would you handle this scenario? I
> > > recently say a child with a chronic incurrable and life
> > > shortening illness. The mom who is very involved in her
> > > local congregation carried a good bit of guilt and told
> > > me that as she studied her Religious book she believed
> > > that if she could lead a good enough life that her child
> > > would be cured but she had not achieved that yet was
> > > still trying. She obviously felt that the illness was
> > > somewhat her fault. After telling me this , she then
> > > paused for me to reply - what would you say?
> > >
> > > Phil Noe
> > > Pediatric Pulmonology and Sleep Medicine
> > > Children's Hospital
> > > Knoxville, TN
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Calif NP wrote:
> > >
> > > > There are numerous health care providers who
> > > > deliberately or unwittingly
> > > > unrelentlessly proselytize to their patients, often in
> > > > subtle ways such as
> > > > verbalizing religion based quotes or offering prayer
> > > > for someone's
> > > > difficulties (a kind gesture which I appreciate). But,
> > > > it is compelling that
> > > > we support the ethic that in a society based on secular
> > > > respect for others
> > > > beliefs this may not be appropriate, especially in
> > > > areas/populations which
> > > > are medically underserved.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dena"
> > > > To: "'NP Clinical'"
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:20 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
> > > > closed -
> > > > Prayforworldsobriety
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I'm sorry-- perhaps I've misunderstood the purpose of
> > > > this professional NP
> > > > > listserve after 13+ yrs of being an active member....
> > > > I had no idea I had
> > > > > signed up for a "religious NP" listserve. Or perhaps
> > > > the mission statement
> > > > > of the list changed somewhere along the line when I
> > > > was out of town. Or
> > > > > perhaps the official Email announcing the changes
> > > > ended up in my junk mail
> > > > > box and I just never saw it. Or perhaps newer members
> > > > are just ignorant of
> > > > > common proper netiquette because it isn't spelled out
> > > > in big bold letters
> > > > > somewhere. If this list had a moderator/administrator
> > > > (I nominate Andy!!),
> > > > > I'm sure these discussions would not be allowed.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is NOT the platform to discuss PERSONAL
> > > > religious beliefs-- of ANY
> > > > > kind... I'm sure there are other, more appropriate,
> > > > venues for that.
> > > > Perhaps
> > > > > those that are interested in exchanging prayers and
> > > > religious ideology can
> > > > > form their own listserve on NPCentral and leave this
> > > > one to its intended
> > > > > purpose???
> > > > >
> > > > > The ONLY time I think religion and politics have any
> > > > place on the list is
> > > > AS
> > > > > THEY APPLY TO PATIENT CARE AND RESTRICTION OF OUR OWN
> > > > PRACTICE and then it
> > > > > should be as IMPERSONAL as possible. The two subjects
> > > > are very sensitive
> > > > and
> > > > > volatile and people's feelings can too easily get
> > > > hurt. It's just NOT
> > > > > necessary. I could care less about the personal
> > > > religious beliefs of
> > > > ANYONE
> > > > > on this listserve-- it is immaterial to NPInfo and
> > > > NP-Clinical. I find it
> > > > > real hard to believe that some on this list actually
> > > > believe their own
> > > > > personal religious views have any bearing on
> > > > discussions of NP issues-- or
> > > > > that others care to hear about it.
> > > > > Dena Galler
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
> > > > [mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Joanne DaCunha
> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:20 AM
> > > > > To: NP Clinical
> > > > > Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
> > > > closed - Pray
> > > > > forworldsobriety
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting that it is NOT ok to post a prayer but
> > > > perfectly OK to
> > > > > ridicule that same religion. Perhaps I should not
> > > > express my view, but
> > > > > religion, or lack thereof, is part of one's culture,
> > > > just as any other
> > > > > part of their beliefs. It's not something that anyone
> > > > should ignore to
> > > > > be a whole person. I happen to not agree that
> > > > religion and politics
> > > > > should NOT be out of the social discussion context. I
> > > > think it teaches
> > > > > all of us how to have civilized discourse with those
> > > > with whom we
> > > > > disagree and allows disallows those who intend to
> > > > disrupt the beliefs of
> > > > > others to continue their efforts "underground"
> > > > without ever being
> > > > > challenged. Putting those issues on the discussion
> > > > table allows each of
> > > > > us to learn the beauty of others' culture and beliefs
> > > > and learn what we
> > > > > need to understand and live respectfully with others,
> > > > and that is a good
> > > > > thing.
> > > > > Joanne
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
> > > > > [mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf Of
> > > > Linda Marie De Zago
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 11:20 PM
> > > > > To: 'NP Clinical'
> > > > > Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
> > > > closed - Pray for
> > > > > worldsobriety
> > > > >
> > > > > Love it!!!
> > > > > This is going in my favorite folder.
> > > > > What a great way to end the weekend.
> > > > > Thanks for the laugh.
> > > > >
> > > > > Linda
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
> > > > > [mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net]
> > > > > On Behalf Of np at c-zone.net
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:40 PM
> > > > > To: NP Clinical
> > > > > Subject: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
> > > > closed - Pray for world
> > > > > sobriety
> > > > >
> > > > > Politically Incorrect Humor Warning!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Read on at your own eternal peril, read on at the
> > > > risk of.........
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "SIPPING VODKA"
> > > > >
> > > > > A new priest at his first mass was so nervous he
> > > > could hardly speak.
> > > > > After mass he asked the monsignor how he had done.
> > > > The monsignor
> > > > > replied, "When I am worried about getting nervous On
> > > > the pulpit, I put a
> > > > > glass of vodka next to the water glass. If I start to
> > > > get nervous, I
> > > > > take a sip."
> > > > > So next Sunday he took the monsignor's advice. At
> > > > the beginning of the
> > > > > sermon, he got nervous and took a drink.
> > > > > He proceeded to talk up a storm. Upon his return to
> > > > his office after
> > > > > the mass, he found the following note on the door:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Sip the vodka, don't gulp.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) There are 10 commandments, not 12.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) There are 12 disciples, not 10
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) Jesus was consecrated, not constipated.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5) Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet his ass.
> > > > >
> > > > > 6) We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late J.C.
> > > > >
> > > > > 7) The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not referred
> > > > to as Daddy, Junior
> > > > > and the spooky.
> > > > > 8) David slew Goliath, he did not kick the sh*t out
> > > > of him.
> > > > >
> > > > > 9) When David was hit by a rock and was knocked off
> > > > his donkey, don't
> > > > > say he was stoned off his ass.
> > > > >
> > > > > 10)We do! not refer to the cross as the "Big T."
> > > > >
> > > > > 11) When Jesus broke the bread at the last supper he
> > > > said, "take this
> > > > > and eat it for it is my body." He did not say " Eat
> > > > me"
> > > > >
> > > > > 12 The recommended grace before a meal is not:
> > > > Rub-A-Dub-Dub
> > > === message truncated ===
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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