[NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality

Thu Aug 16 13:43:24 PDT 2007

Sue: That¹s 4 cents.
Agree.
Dave
On 8/16/07 4:38 PM, "Sue Emmite" <sue.emmite at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone but me think it is about time to collectively drop this subject and
> move on to something clinical.  Just my 2 cents.  This has been driven into
> the ground, just my 2 cents.
> Sue Emmite MSN RN FNP
> 
> On 8/16/07, prispunnyfnp at metrocast.net <prispunnyfnp at metrocast.net> wrote:
>> Let's collectivelly refer to them as SYBIL (AKA multiplistic personalities)
>> Sybil Disobedience you might say.  Sybillance (I need to take the time to
>> look this word up but love how Tom Hanks said it when he played Aerosmith's
>> Roadie Crew for Soundcheck on the classic Saturday Night Live Skit).
>> Or NP Jekyll and Mr Hide.
>> Punchily,
>> 
>> Priscilla
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Diana Galler galdena at sbcglobal.net
>> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:52:58 -0700 (PDT)
>> To: np-clinical at nurse.net
>> Subject: Re: [NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality
>> 
>> 
>> Or it could be separate responses from "D" and "Gina".
>>   Dena Galler
>> 
>> stephanie2u at optonline.net wrote:
>>     Hmm, I just responded to a very different comment from this very same
>> email on this very same topic. What is this, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde?
>> 
>>   Stephanie
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Calif NP
>> Date: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:27 am
>> Subject: Re: [NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality
>> To: NP Clinical
>> 
>>> > Once you determine what a client/patient's spiritual grounding
>>> > is, whether
>>> > they follow a particular faith/church/etc. you can then steer
>>> > them better:
>>> > There are many social service organizations throughout
>>> > California which have
>>> > grief counselors who have a spiritual grounding, and they are readily
>>> > available to counsel, comfort, and provide excellent follow-on counsel
>>> > appropriate to the individual's spiritual underpinnings. There
>>> > are also
>>> > organizations such as the Salvation Army, Catholic Social
>>> > Services, etc.
>>> > which have nearly immediate services, almost like calling "911"
>>> > for a lay
>>> > chaplain to swoop in an provide comfort, counsel and to steer to
>>> > an array of
>>> > additional services per the needs of the individual case. Thess
>>> > groups can
>>> > also provide a catalyst for the reinvigoration of the patients
>>> > spirituality.
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Phil Noe"
>> 
>>> > To: "NP Clinical"
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:58 PM
>>> > Subject: [NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality
>>> >
>>>> > > Ok-Here's an interesting spiritual / religious clinical
>>>> > > question -> How would you handle this scenario? I
>>>> > > recently say a child with a chronic incurrable and life
>>>> > > shortening illness. The mom who is very involved in her
>>>> > > local congregation carried a good bit of guilt and told
>>>> > > me that as she studied her Religious book she believed
>>>> > > that if she could lead a good enough life that her child
>>>> > > would be cured but she had not achieved that yet was
>>>> > > still trying. She obviously felt that the illness was
>>>> > > somewhat her fault. After telling me this , she then
>>>> > > paused for me to reply - what would you say?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Phil Noe
>>>> > > Pediatric Pulmonology and Sleep Medicine
>>>> > > Children's Hospital
>>>> > > Knoxville, TN
>>>> > > 
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --- Calif NP wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>>> > > > There are numerous health care providers who
>>>>> > > > deliberately or unwittingly
>>>>> > > > unrelentlessly proselytize to their patients, often in
>>>>> > > > subtle ways such as
>>>>> > > > verbalizing religion based quotes or offering prayer
>>>>> > > > for someone's
>>>>> > > > difficulties (a kind gesture which I appreciate). But,
>>>>> > > > it is compelling that
>>>>> > > > we support the ethic that in a society based on secular
>>>>> > > > respect for others
>>>>> > > > beliefs this may not be appropriate, especially in
>>>>> > > > areas/populations which
>>>>> > > > are medically underserved.
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > > > From: "Dena"
>>>>> > > > To: "'NP Clinical'"
>>>>> > > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:20 AM
>>>>> > > > Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
>>>>> > > > closed -
>>>>> > > > Prayforworldsobriety
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > I'm sorry-- perhaps I've misunderstood the purpose of
>>>>> > > > this professional NP
>>>>>> > > > > listserve after 13+ yrs of being an active member....
>>>>> > > > I had no idea I had
>>>>>> > > > > signed up for a "religious NP" listserve. Or perhaps
>>>>> > > > the mission statement
>>>>>> > > > > of the list changed somewhere along the line when I
>>>>> > > > was out of town. Or
>>>>>> > > > > perhaps the official Email announcing the changes
>>>>> > > > ended up in my junk mail
>>>>>> > > > > box and I just never saw it. Or perhaps newer members
>>>>> > > > are just ignorant of
>>>>>> > > > > common proper netiquette because it isn't spelled out
>>>>> > > > in big bold letters
>>>>>> > > > > somewhere. If this list had a moderator/administrator
>>>>> > > > (I nominate Andy!!),
>>>>>> > > > > I'm sure these discussions would not be allowed.
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > This is NOT the platform to discuss PERSONAL
>>>>> > > > religious beliefs-- of ANY
>>>>>> > > > > kind... I'm sure there are other, more appropriate,
>>>>> > > > venues for that.
>>>>> > > > Perhaps
>>>>>> > > > > those that are interested in exchanging prayers and
>>>>> > > > religious ideology can
>>>>>> > > > > form their own listserve on NPCentral and leave this
>>>>> > > > one to its intended
>>>>>> > > > > purpose???
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > The ONLY time I think religion and politics have any
>>>>> > > > place on the list is
>>>>> > > > AS 
>>>>>> > > > > THEY APPLY TO PATIENT CARE AND RESTRICTION OF OUR OWN
>>>>> > > > PRACTICE and then it
>>>>>> > > > > should be as IMPERSONAL as possible. The two subjects
>>>>> > > > are very sensitive
>>>>> > > > and
>>>>>> > > > > volatile and people's feelings can too easily get
>>>>> > > > hurt. It's just NOT
>>>>>> > > > > necessary. I could care less about the personal
>>>>> > > > religious beliefs of
>>>>> > > > ANYONE
>>>>>> > > > > on this listserve-- it is immaterial to NPInfo and
>>>>> > > > NP-Clinical. I find it
>>>>>> > > > > real hard to believe that some on this list actually
>>>>> > > > believe their own
>>>>>> > > > > personal religious views have any bearing on
>>>>> > > > discussions of NP issues-- or
>>>>>> > > > > that others care to hear about it.
>>>>>> > > > > Dena Galler
>>>>>> > > > > 
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> > > > > From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
>>>>> > > > [mailto: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
>>>>> <mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net> ]
>>>>>> > > > > On Behalf Of Joanne DaCunha
>>>>>> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:20 AM
>>>>>> > > > > To: NP Clinical
>>>>>> > > > > Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
>>>>> > > > closed - Pray
>>>>>> > > > > forworldsobriety
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > Interesting that it is NOT ok to post a prayer but
>>>>> > > > perfectly OK to
>>>>>> > > > > ridicule that same religion. Perhaps I should not
>>>>> > > > express my view, but
>>>>>> > > > > religion, or lack thereof, is part of one's culture,
>>>>> > > > just as any other
>>>>>> > > > > part of their beliefs. It's not something that anyone
>>>>> > > > should ignore to
>>>>>> > > > > be a whole person. I happen to not agree that
>>>>> > > > religion and politics
>>>>>> > > > > should NOT be out of the social discussion context. I
>>>>> > > > think it teaches
>>>>>> > > > > all of us how to have civilized discourse with those
>>>>> > > > with whom we
>>>>>> > > > > disagree and allows disallows those who intend to
>>>>> > > > disrupt the beliefs of
>>>>>> > > > > others to continue their efforts "underground"
>>>>> > > > without ever being
>>>>>> > > > > challenged. Putting those issues on the discussion
>>>>> > > > table allows each of
>>>>>> > > > > us to learn the beauty of others' culture and beliefs
>>>>> > > > and learn what we
>>>>>> > > > > need to understand and live respectfully with others,
>>>>> > > > and that is a good
>>>>>> > > > > thing.
>>>>>> > > > > Joanne
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> > > > > From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
>>>>>> > > > > [mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf Of
>>>>> > > > Linda Marie De Zago
>>>>>> > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 11:20 PM
>>>>>> > > > > To: 'NP Clinical'
>>>>>> > > > > Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
>>>>> > > > closed - Pray for
>>>>>> > > > > worldsobriety
>>>>>> > > > > 
>>>>>> > > > > Love it!!!
>>>>>> > > > > This is going in my favorite folder.
>>>>>> > > > > What a great way to end the weekend.
>>>>>> > > > > Thanks for the laugh.
>>>>>> > > > > 
>>>>>> > > > > Linda
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> > > > > From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
>>>>>> > > > > [mailto: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net]
>>>>>> > > > > On Behalf Of np at c-zone.net
>>>>>> > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:40 PM
>>>>>> > > > > To: NP Clinical
>>>>>> > > > > Subject: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
>>>>> > > > closed - Pray for world
>>>>>> > > > > sobriety
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > Politically Incorrect Humor Warning!!!
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > Read on at your own eternal peril, read on at the
>>>>> > > > risk of.........
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > 
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > "SIPPING VODKA"
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > A new priest at his first mass was so nervous he
>>>>> > > > could hardly speak.
>>>>>> > > > > After mass he asked the monsignor how he had done.
>>>>> > > > The monsignor
>>>>>> > > > > replied, "When I am worried about getting nervous On
>>>>> > > > the pulpit, I put a
>>>>>> > > > > glass of vodka next to the water glass. If I start to
>>>>> > > > get nervous, I
>>>>>> > > > > take a sip."
>>>>>> > > > > So next Sunday he took the monsignor's advice. At
>>>>> > > > the beginning of the
>>>>>> > > > > sermon, he got nervous and took a drink.
>>>>>> > > > > He proceeded to talk up a storm. Upon his return to
>>>>> > > > his office after
>>>>>> > > > > the mass, he found the following note on the door:
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > 1) Sip the vodka, don't gulp.
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > 2) There are 10 commandments, not 12.
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > 3) There are 12 disciples, not 10
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > 4) Jesus was consecrated, not constipated.
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > 5) Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet his ass.
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > 6) We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late J.C.
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > 7) The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not referred
>>>>> > > > to as Daddy, Junior
>>>>>> > > > > and the spooky.
>>>>>> > > > > 8) David slew Goliath, he did not kick the sh*t out
>>>>> > > > of him.
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > 9) When David was hit by a rock and was knocked off
>>>>> > > > his donkey, don't
>>>>>> > > > > say he was stoned off his ass.
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > 10)We do! not refer to the cross as the "Big T."
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > 11) When Jesus broke the bread at the last supper he
>>>>> > > > said, "take this
>>>>>> > > > > and eat it for it is my body." He did not say " Eat
>>>>> > > > me"
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > 12 The recommended grace before a meal is not:
>>>>> > > > Rub-A-Dub-Dub
>>>> > > === message truncated ===
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>> >
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