[NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality

Thu Aug 16 15:45:57 PDT 2007

But THIS thread IS clinical and should be the only time religion IS discussed here-- when it has to do with a patient's belief, their medical care, how the two are related, and how we, as providers, respond and remain sensitive to their physical, emotional, and spiritual needs. 
  Dena Galler

  Sue Emmite <sue.emmite at gmail.com> wrote:
  Anyone but me think it is about time to collectively drop this subject and move on to something clinical.  Just my 2 cents.  This has been driven into the ground, just my 2 cents.
Sue Emmite MSN RN FNP

  On 8/16/07, prispunnyfnp at metrocast.net <prispunnyfnp at metrocast.net> wrote:  Let's collectivelly refer to them as SYBIL (AKA multiplistic personalities)
Sybil Disobedience you might say.  Sybillance (I need to take the time to
look this word up but love how Tom Hanks said it when he played Aerosmith's 
Roadie Crew for Soundcheck on the classic Saturday Night Live Skit).
Or NP Jekyll and Mr Hide.
Punchily,

Priscilla
Original Message:
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From: Diana Galler galdena at sbcglobal.net
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:52:58 -0700 (PDT)
To: np-clinical at nurse.net
Subject: Re: [NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality

Or it could be separate responses from "D" and "Gina". 
  Dena Galler

stephanie2u at optonline.net wrote:
    Hmm, I just responded to a very different comment from this very same
email on this very same topic. What is this, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde? 

  Stephanie

----- Original Message -----
From: Calif NP
Date: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:27 am
Subject: Re: [NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality
To: NP Clinical

> Once you determine what a client/patient's spiritual grounding 
> is, whether
> they follow a particular faith/church/etc. you can then steer
> them better:
> There are many social service organizations throughout
> California which have
> grief counselors who have a spiritual grounding, and they are readily 
> available to counsel, comfort, and provide excellent follow-on counsel
> appropriate to the individual's spiritual underpinnings. There
> are also
> organizations such as the Salvation Army, Catholic Social 
> Services, etc.
> which have nearly immediate services, almost like calling "911"
> for a lay
> chaplain to swoop in an provide comfort, counsel and to steer to
> an array of
> additional services per the needs of the individual case. Thess 
> groups can
> also provide a catalyst for the reinvigoration of the patients
> spirituality.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Noe"

> To: "NP Clinical" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:58 PM
> Subject: [NP-Clinical] Clinical Spirituality
>
> > Ok-Here's an interesting spiritual / religious clinical
> > question -> How would you handle this scenario? I 
> > recently say a child with a chronic incurrable and life
> > shortening illness. The mom who is very involved in her
> > local congregation carried a good bit of guilt and told
> > me that as she studied her Religious book she believed 
> > that if she could lead a good enough life that her child
> > would be cured but she had not achieved that yet was
> > still trying. She obviously felt that the illness was
> > somewhat her fault. After telling me this , she then 
> > paused for me to reply - what would you say?
> >
> > Phil Noe
> > Pediatric Pulmonology and Sleep Medicine
> > Children's Hospital
> > Knoxville, TN
> > 
> >
> > --- Calif NP wrote:
> >
> > > There are numerous health care providers who
> > > deliberately or unwittingly
> > > unrelentlessly proselytize to their patients, often in 
> > > subtle ways such as
> > > verbalizing religion based quotes or offering prayer
> > > for someone's
> > > difficulties (a kind gesture which I appreciate). But,
> > > it is compelling that
> > > we support the ethic that in a society based on secular
> > > respect for others
> > > beliefs this may not be appropriate, especially in
> > > areas/populations which 
> > > are medically underserved.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dena"
> > > To: "'NP Clinical'"
> > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:20 AM 
> > > Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
> > > closed -
> > > Prayforworldsobriety
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm sorry-- perhaps I've misunderstood the purpose of 
> > > this professional NP
> > > > listserve after 13+ yrs of being an active member....
> > > I had no idea I had
> > > > signed up for a "religious NP" listserve. Or perhaps 
> > > the mission statement
> > > > of the list changed somewhere along the line when I
> > > was out of town. Or
> > > > perhaps the official Email announcing the changes 
> > > ended up in my junk mail
> > > > box and I just never saw it. Or perhaps newer members
> > > are just ignorant of
> > > > common proper netiquette because it isn't spelled out 
> > > in big bold letters
> > > > somewhere. If this list had a moderator/administrator
> > > (I nominate Andy!!),
> > > > I'm sure these discussions would not be allowed. 
> > > >
> > > > This is NOT the platform to discuss PERSONAL
> > > religious beliefs-- of ANY
> > > > kind... I'm sure there are other, more appropriate,
> > > venues for that. 
> > > Perhaps
> > > > those that are interested in exchanging prayers and
> > > religious ideology can
> > > > form their own listserve on NPCentral and leave this
> > > one to its intended
> > > > purpose???
> > > >
> > > > The ONLY time I think religion and politics have any
> > > place on the list is
> > > AS 
> > > > THEY APPLY TO PATIENT CARE AND RESTRICTION OF OUR OWN
> > > PRACTICE and then it
> > > > should be as IMPERSONAL as possible. The two subjects
> > > are very sensitive 
> > > and
> > > > volatile and people's feelings can too easily get
> > > hurt. It's just NOT
> > > > necessary. I could care less about the personal
> > > religious beliefs of 
> > > ANYONE
> > > > on this listserve-- it is immaterial to NPInfo and
> > > NP-Clinical. I find it
> > > > real hard to believe that some on this list actually
> > > believe their own 
> > > > personal religious views have any bearing on
> > > discussions of NP issues-- or
> > > > that others care to hear about it.
> > > > Dena Galler
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
> > > [mailto: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net]
> > > > On Behalf Of Joanne DaCunha
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:20 AM
> > > > To: NP Clinical
> > > > Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not 
> > > closed - Pray
> > > > forworldsobriety
> > > >
> > > > Interesting that it is NOT ok to post a prayer but
> > > perfectly OK to
> > > > ridicule that same religion. Perhaps I should not 
> > > express my view, but
> > > > religion, or lack thereof, is part of one's culture,
> > > just as any other
> > > > part of their beliefs. It's not something that anyone 
> > > should ignore to
> > > > be a whole person. I happen to not agree that
> > > religion and politics
> > > > should NOT be out of the social discussion context. I 
> > > think it teaches
> > > > all of us how to have civilized discourse with those
> > > with whom we
> > > > disagree and allows disallows those who intend to
> > > disrupt the beliefs of 
> > > > others to continue their efforts "underground"
> > > without ever being
> > > > challenged. Putting those issues on the discussion
> > > table allows each of 
> > > > us to learn the beauty of others' culture and beliefs
> > > and learn what we
> > > > need to understand and live respectfully with others,
> > > and that is a good 
> > > > thing.
> > > > Joanne
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
> > > > [mailto:np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf Of
> > > Linda Marie De Zago
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 11:20 PM 
> > > > To: 'NP Clinical'
> > > > Subject: RE: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
> > > closed - Pray for
> > > > worldsobriety
> > > > 
> > > > Love it!!!
> > > > This is going in my favorite folder.
> > > > What a great way to end the weekend.
> > > > Thanks for the laugh.
> > > > 
> > > > Linda
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net
> > > > [mailto: np-clinical-bounces at nurse.net]
> > > > On Behalf Of np at c-zone.net
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:40 PM 
> > > > To: NP Clinical
> > > > Subject: OT Re: [NP-Clinical] Prayer subject not
> > > closed - Pray for world
> > > > sobriety
> > > >
> > > > Politically Incorrect Humor Warning!!! 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Read on at your own eternal peril, read on at the
> > > risk of.........
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "SIPPING VODKA"
> > > >
> > > > A new priest at his first mass was so nervous he 
> > > could hardly speak.
> > > > After mass he asked the monsignor how he had done.
> > > The monsignor
> > > > replied, "When I am worried about getting nervous On 
> > > the pulpit, I put a
> > > > glass of vodka next to the water glass. If I start to
> > > get nervous, I
> > > > take a sip."
> > > > So next Sunday he took the monsignor's advice. At 
> > > the beginning of the
> > > > sermon, he got nervous and took a drink.
> > > > He proceeded to talk up a storm. Upon his return to
> > > his office after
> > > > the mass, he found the following note on the door: 
> > > >
> > > > 1) Sip the vodka, don't gulp.
> > > >
> > > > 2) There are 10 commandments, not 12.
> > > >
> > > > 3) There are 12 disciples, not 10 
> > > >
> > > > 4) Jesus was consecrated, not constipated.
> > > >
> > > > 5) Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet his ass.
> > > >
> > > > 6) We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late J.C.
> > > >
> > > > 7) The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not referred
> > > to as Daddy, Junior
> > > > and the spooky.
> > > > 8) David slew Goliath, he did not kick the sh*t out 
> > > of him.
> > > >
> > > > 9) When David was hit by a rock and was knocked off
> > > his donkey, don't
> > > > say he was stoned off his ass.
> > > >
> > > > 10)We do! not refer to the cross as the "Big T."
> > > >
> > > > 11) When Jesus broke the bread at the last supper he
> > > said, "take this 
> > > > and eat it for it is my body." He did not say " Eat
> > > me"
> > > >
> > > > 12 The recommended grace before a meal is not:
> > > Rub-A-Dub-Dub 
> > === message truncated ===
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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