[NPInfo] Re: PhD in Nursing

[Eric Doerfler]

I agree. I doubt it. (I wouldn't.) Reminds me of a woman at a nursing home I
worked at years ago (I was the infection control nurse). I stumbled into a
discussion among the DONs about one of the aides. She'd taken the "RN
program" from Regent's (now Excelsior). So she went from being a CNA to
becoming an RN with "a week of clinical at the end of the program." For
those of you unfamiliar, Regent's/Excelsior was a "correspondence" program
for RN to BSN, but developed other tracks, as I recall. This was one. 

Well, she wanted to bid on an RN position. Guess what didn't happen.

In addition, the DONs composed a letter of concern to the SBON, but I don't
know what became of that issue at the state level.

Eric

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From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf
Of Dena
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 9:31 PM
To: peg at fhea.com; 'NP Info'
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Re: PhD in Nursing

Sorry, I guess I didn't think I'd have to specify which country I was
referring to when I posed my question to the list. Just so there is no
mistake, I will ask it again: Why would someone in the United States, who is
not a nurse, want to get a PhD in nursing? This is not China... are there
many reputable schools of nursing that hire non-nurses with PhDs in nursing
to teach other nurses nursing curriculum?
Dena Galler

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf
Of Margaret A. Fitzgerald, DNP, NP-C, APRN, BC, FAANP, CSP
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 5:03 PM
To: NP Info
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Re: PhD in Nursing

Re: Why would someone who is not a nurse want to get a PhD in nursing? In
other countries, non nurses do a good deal of teaching of nurses (I know MDs
do a good deal of teaching in China) and are pursuing degrees in nursing.
Oh, and one of the reasons that the MDs are getting a PhD is that the MD is
a practice, not research, doctorate. 
 
Peg Fitzgerald (in CA, just finished teaching a NP review course to a great
group of practicing and new NPs)Dr. Margaret A. Fitzgerald, DNP, APRN, BC,
NP-C, FAANP, CSP  President, Fitzgerald Health Education Associates, Inc.
85 Flagship Drive  North Andover, MA 01845-6154  978.794.8366  FNP, Adjunct
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> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:43:03 -0500> From: pkoyl at cox.net> To:
npinfo at nurse.net> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Re: PhD in Nursing> > Excellent
POINT!> ---- jabphd83 at aol.com wrote: > > > > Shelby,> > > > I had to go into
the website for the SON to find that little bit of information about the
degree does not?prepare the student?to take the RN licensure.? > > > >
Believe me, there are a lot more easier?doctorates than nursing.? The
research, statistics and core courses can kill you!!!?> > > > My program
emphasized research, which happened to be in nursing.? But I can take this
knowledge and apply it to research in other disciplines.? However, if I
applied it to basic science research, I would still need an understanding of
the discipline to do basic science research!!? That is why I believe that if
the person in a PhD program in nursing is not a nurse, they will be have a
lot of additional work to do to understand the discipline, before they do
research in this area. > > Judy> > > > > > > > > > -----Original
Message-----> > From: Havens, Shelby 
Message-----> > <havens.shelby at mail.dc.state.fl.us>> >
To: NP Info <npinfo at nurse.net>> > Sent: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 3:06 pm> > Subject:
RE: [NPInfo] Re: PhD in Nursing> > > > > > > > > > Judy:> > > > I didn't
read the part that said the graduates would not be eligible to> > sit for
the licensure exam. That's interesting. Thanks for pointing that> > out.> >
> > So you wonder who would want a doctorate in nursing if they aren't 
> > a> >
nurse? Probably somebody who just wants the letters "PhD" after their> >
name, by any route they can get it, nursing or whatever. I don't> >
understand how people can be trained to do nursing research if they> >
aren't nurses. > > > > Best Regards,> > > > Shelby Havens, ARNP > > > > > >
> > -----Original Message-----> > From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net
[mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On> > Behalf Of jabphd83 at aol.com> > Sent:
Friday, November 30, 2007 3:00 PM> > To: npinfo at nurse.net> > Subject: Re:
[NPInfo] Re: PhD in Nursing> > > > > > > > You've got to wonder who would
WANT a doctorate in nursing if they> > weren't a nurse. The U of Wa states
that this doctorate is not a> > clinical degree and will not lead to
eligibility to sit for RN> > licensure.> > Judy> > > > -----Original
Message-----> > From: Dena <galdena at sbcglobal.net>> > To: 'NP Info'
<npinfo at nurse.net>> > Sent: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 9:48 am> > Subject: RE:
[NPInfo] Re: PhD in Nursing> > > > > > > > Here you go...the line is in the
first bulleted section....and frankly,> > I'm> > horrified and pissed off. I
pick my battles VERY carefully and this is> > certainly one I think worth
fighting. I definitely think someone who> > gets a> > PhD in nursing should
BE a nurse!!!> > http://www.son.washington.edu/eo/phd_deadline.asp> > > >
Dena Galler> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From:
npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On> > Behalf> >
Of Eric Doerfler> > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:36 AM> > To: 'NP
Info'> > Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Re: PhD in Nursing> > > > Could somebody tell
me where you read about such a program? > > > > -----Original Message----->
> From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On> >
Behalf> > Of Havens, Shelby> > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:52 AM> 
Behalf> > >
To: NP Info> > Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Re: PhD in Nursing> > > > > > I think
that is a hoot. What a sad commentary about our profession, that> > a> >
student can get a PhD degree in Nursing with no prior training in the> >
field.> > > > Wouldn't that be kinda like me enrolling in a doctoral program
in> > Physics or> > Engineering without any prior degrees in those
disciplines?> > > > Regards,> > > > Shelby Havens, ARNP> > > > > >
-----Original Message-----> > From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net
[mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On> > Behalf> > Of Tracy Klein> > Sent:
Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:48 PM> > To: npinfo at nurse.net> > Subject:
[NPInfo] Re: PhD in Nursing> > > > >>>>> > You dont even need to be a nurse
to get a PhD in Nursing.> > Yes, that's correct.> > > >
http://www.son.washington.edu/eo/phd_deadline.asp> > > > > > Tracy Klein,
FNP> > Portland, Oregon> > 
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