[NPInfo] Clinical doctorate

[Dena]

LOL-- Jeff, we must be identical twins separated at birth! I have never
understood nursing theory and, after all these years, have resigned myself
to the fact that I never will. I've managed to work full-time in the nursing
field for almost 40 years without "getting it", so what does that say about
nursing theory??? It's not that important in the real world..........
Dena Galler

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf
Of Jeffrey Hazzard
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:59 PM
To: NP Info
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Clinical doctorate

   Beth,
   
      I am glad it was meaningful to you.
   
     I got to do the same thing in my masters program.  We had to choose a
nursing theorist, (I chose Nola Pender because her theory was the shortest
one in the book and the silly things are really rather interchangeable) and
then alter the theory in a novel way to integrate the theory into our
practice to form a personalized practice model.  The whole ordeal was the
null set for me.  Oh I got an "A" and accolades for "forming a basis of
professional practice that will see you through a professional career" but I
couldn't tell you anything about Nola Pender now if you held a gun to my
head.
     Beth, I understand that you may find enjoyment and purpose and gain
concept cohesion  from theory/grand theory as a means to organize principles
that are mainstays of your practice.  Unfortunately I am not wired that way
and will NEVER, EVER, EVER be involved in any education in which nursing
theory is presented as subject matter.  To take what is essentially a
technical job, only made professional because of the delicate integration of
myriad technical data to make decisions, and hang it on flimsy theory is
absurd and a travesty to our patients who are counting on us to know our
stuff.
    I'm sorry Beth, I think you are wrong for me and most NPs.  I can't see
it any other way.  As I said in a nationally published op-ed piece that I
wrote 10 years ago and which still resonates back to me, "the emperor has no
clothes."
   
         Jeff Hazzard
   
   
  artin <epartinfnp at aol.com> wrote:
  Jeff,
I agree that nursing theory at the BSN & MSN level can be tedious. However,
at the doctorate level, it becomes much more interesting and even a little
fun. You get to learn how to develop your own theory as a basis for your own
research. Then you get to apply it. While my doctoral education was the most
challenging and difficult, it was also some of the most enjoyable learning I
have done... and all of it meaningful to my career. For me it was a good
choice to pursue the degree, but it's an individual choice.
Beth Partin

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jeffrey Hazzard"
Sent: 2/20/07 6:11:38 AM
To: "npinfo npinfo", "ACC Listserv"
Subject: [NPInfo] Clinical doctorate
Here we go again. If the DNP contains the same nursing theory I've had twice
already (bachelors and masters level) I'm not interested. I'll go into sales
or be a sailboat delivery captain instead of sitting through it a third time
should it become mandatory. On the other hand, if a clinical doctorate is
reality-based, I'd both advocate for its adoption for the NP (PA)
professions and consider it myself. 

I am 43 years old. After a person turns 40 he begins to see the world for
what it is, and to call it by its name. I am not going to sit through a
course of bull$#&% a third time. I don't know much about any nursing
doctorates, but I know a lot about nursing faculty and being a nursing
student. Reality and nursing education only intersect at random intervals
and as tagent lines, the lines never really cross.

Jeff, NP Tampa


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