[NPInfo] Clinical doctorate

Tue Feb 20 18:46:51 PST 2007

Dena and Jeff:

I am your first cousin, for sure! Count me in among the "unenlightened" 
nurses who are bored with nursing theory!

I'd be interested in seeing a salary survey of those who are pro-nursing 
theory versus the rest of us who tend to be anti-nursing theory. I wonder 
who makes more money???

Regards,

Shelby Havens, ARNP
(A Non-Theoretical Nurse Practitioner)

>From: "Dena" <galdena at sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: NP Info <npinfo at nurse.net>
>To: "'NP Info'" <npinfo at nurse.net>
>Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Clinical doctorate
>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:04:55 -0800
>
>LOL-- Jeff, we must be identical twins separated at birth! I have never
>understood nursing theory and, after all these years, have resigned myself
>to the fact that I never will. I've managed to work full-time in the 
>nursing
>field for almost 40 years without "getting it", so what does that say about
>nursing theory??? It's not that important in the real world..........
>Dena Galler
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf
>Of Jeffrey Hazzard
>Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:59 PM
>To: NP Info
>Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Clinical doctorate
>
>    Beth,
>
>       I am glad it was meaningful to you.
>
>      I got to do the same thing in my masters program.  We had to choose a
>nursing theorist, (I chose Nola Pender because her theory was the shortest
>one in the book and the silly things are really rather interchangeable) and
>then alter the theory in a novel way to integrate the theory into our
>practice to form a personalized practice model.  The whole ordeal was the
>null set for me.  Oh I got an "A" and accolades for "forming a basis of
>professional practice that will see you through a professional career" but 
>I
>couldn't tell you anything about Nola Pender now if you held a gun to my
>head.
>      Beth, I understand that you may find enjoyment and purpose and gain
>concept cohesion  from theory/grand theory as a means to organize 
>principles
>that are mainstays of your practice.  Unfortunately I am not wired that way
>and will NEVER, EVER, EVER be involved in any education in which nursing
>theory is presented as subject matter.  To take what is essentially a
>technical job, only made professional because of the delicate integration 
>of
>myriad technical data to make decisions, and hang it on flimsy theory is
>absurd and a travesty to our patients who are counting on us to know our
>stuff.
>     I'm sorry Beth, I think you are wrong for me and most NPs.  I can't 
>see
>it any other way.  As I said in a nationally published op-ed piece that I
>wrote 10 years ago and which still resonates back to me, "the emperor has 
>no
>clothes."
>
>          Jeff Hazzard
>
>
>   artin <epartinfnp at aol.com> wrote:
>   Jeff,
>I agree that nursing theory at the BSN & MSN level can be tedious. However,
>at the doctorate level, it becomes much more interesting and even a little
>fun. You get to learn how to develop your own theory as a basis for your 
>own
>research. Then you get to apply it. While my doctoral education was the 
>most
>challenging and difficult, it was also some of the most enjoyable learning 
>I
>have done... and all of it meaningful to my career. For me it was a good
>choice to pursue the degree, but it's an individual choice.
>Beth Partin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Jeffrey Hazzard"
>Sent: 2/20/07 6:11:38 AM
>To: "npinfo npinfo", "ACC Listserv"
>Subject: [NPInfo] Clinical doctorate
>Here we go again. If the DNP contains the same nursing theory I've had 
>twice
>already (bachelors and masters level) I'm not interested. I'll go into 
>sales
>or be a sailboat delivery captain instead of sitting through it a third 
>time
>should it become mandatory. On the other hand, if a clinical doctorate is
>reality-based, I'd both advocate for its adoption for the NP (PA)
>professions and consider it myself.
>
>I am 43 years old. After a person turns 40 he begins to see the world for
>what it is, and to call it by its name. I am not going to sit through a
>course of bull$#&% a third time. I don't know much about any nursing
>doctorates, but I know a lot about nursing faculty and being a nursing
>student. Reality and nursing education only intersect at random intervals
>and as tagent lines, the lines never really cross.
>
>Jeff, NP Tampa
>
>
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