[NPInfo] Clinical doctorate

Tue Feb 20 19:17:03 PST 2007

Dena, Duncan, Shelby, Mr. Marks, others:

        It is very nice to be affirmed.  Thank you.  

       Sadly, our profession has been hijacked by a sect of us who defines our value by making our knowledge unique and unto its own.  Never mind that our professional dimensions are hard to describe qualitatively and harder still to quantify.  The will for legitimacy consumes all else for the sub-sect.  Unfortunate for us all, that faction of "nursing" has neatly tied elitist titles and institutional requirements to nursing theories in order to assure that the promulgation of theory is tied to every other aspect of our collective identity.  I cast it down as a form of malignant maternalism.  It is used and taught because it is a requirement, and it is a requirement because it is taught...it is what nursing faculty do, so thereby, it is thought, it must be indispensable.  Really, if I could divorce myself from the plight of "nursing" I'd find a lot of humor in so many academics harrumphing each other with physiopsychosociobabble.  Because my lots are tied to the profession,
 and so I wish I  weren't, I must suffer the embarrassment of association with nursing theory.  

            Jeff, Tampa

Shelby Havens <shelbyhavens at hotmail.com> wrote:

Dena and Jeff:

I am your first cousin, for sure! Count me in among the "unenlightened" 
nurses who are bored with nursing theory!

I'd be interested in seeing a salary survey of those who are pro-nursing 
theory versus the rest of us who tend to be anti-nursing theory. I wonder 
who makes more money???

Regards,

Shelby Havens, ARNP
(A Non-Theoretical Nurse Practitioner)

>From: "Dena" 
>Reply-To: NP Info 
>To: "'NP Info'" 
>Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Clinical doctorate
>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:04:55 -0800
>
>LOL-- Jeff, we must be identical twins separated at birth! I have never
>understood nursing theory and, after all these years, have resigned myself
>to the fact that I never will. I've managed to work full-time in the 
>nursing
>field for almost 40 years without "getting it", so what does that say about
>nursing theory??? It's not that important in the real world..........
>Dena Galler
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf
>Of Jeffrey Hazzard
>Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:59 PM
>To: NP Info
>Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Clinical doctorate
>
> Beth,
>
> I am glad it was meaningful to you.
>
> I got to do the same thing in my masters program. We had to choose a
>nursing theorist, (I chose Nola Pender because her theory was the shortest
>one in the book and the silly things are really rather interchangeable) and
>then alter the theory in a novel way to integrate the theory into our
>practice to form a personalized practice model. The whole ordeal was the
>null set for me. Oh I got an "A" and accolades for "forming a basis of
>professional practice that will see you through a professional career" but 
>I
>couldn't tell you anything about Nola Pender now if you held a gun to my
>head.
> Beth, I understand that you may find enjoyment and purpose and gain
>concept cohesion from theory/grand theory as a means to organize 
>principles
>that are mainstays of your practice. Unfortunately I am not wired that way
>and will NEVER, EVER, EVER be involved in any education in which nursing
>theory is presented as subject matter. To take what is essentially a
>technical job, only made professional because of the delicate integration 
>of
>myriad technical data to make decisions, and hang it on flimsy theory is
>absurd and a travesty to our patients who are counting on us to know our
>stuff.
> I'm sorry Beth, I think you are wrong for me and most NPs. I can't 
>see
>it any other way. As I said in a nationally published op-ed piece that I
>wrote 10 years ago and which still resonates back to me, "the emperor has 
>no
>clothes."
>
> Jeff Hazzard
>
>
> artin wrote:
> Jeff,
>I agree that nursing theory at the BSN & MSN level can be tedious. However,
>at the doctorate level, it becomes much more interesting and even a little
>fun. You get to learn how to develop your own theory as a basis for your 
>own
>research. Then you get to apply it. While my doctoral education was the 
>most
>challenging and difficult, it was also some of the most enjoyable learning 
>I
>have done... and all of it meaningful to my career. For me it was a good
>choice to pursue the degree, but it's an individual choice.
>Beth Partin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Jeffrey Hazzard"
>Sent: 2/20/07 6:11:38 AM
>To: "npinfo npinfo", "ACC Listserv"
>Subject: [NPInfo] Clinical doctorate
>Here we go again. If the DNP contains the same nursing theory I've had 
>twice
>already (bachelors and masters level) I'm not interested. I'll go into 
>sales
>or be a sailboat delivery captain instead of sitting through it a third 
>time
>should it become mandatory. On the other hand, if a clinical doctorate is
>reality-based, I'd both advocate for its adoption for the NP (PA)
>professions and consider it myself.
>
>I am 43 years old. After a person turns 40 he begins to see the world for
>what it is, and to call it by its name. I am not going to sit through a
>course of bull$#&% a third time. I don't know much about any nursing
>doctorates, but I know a lot about nursing faculty and being a nursing
>student. Reality and nursing education only intersect at random intervals
>and as tagent lines, the lines never really cross.
>
>Jeff, NP Tampa
>
>
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