[NPInfo] Reply to Carla and others Names and other names

Wed Sep 5 18:22:17 PDT 2007

Dave:

It just seems to me, as I mellow in my old age (I'll be 50 next year), that 
as long as we are playing on the MDs' turf we will have to be identified 
with them, in some form or fashion, at least to some extent. The title 
"physician assistant" shows who you are in relation to physicians, under 
their political thumbs, and that's just where they want you. It sucks. 
Totally.

If you find a way around this situation, please let me know, and I will 
gladly jump on the bandwagon to help you make it happen. I will be you 
strongest supporter.

Best Regards,

Shelby Havens, ARNP

>From: David Mittman <dmittman at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: NP Info <npinfo at nurse.net>
>To: NPinfo <npinfo at nurse.net>
>Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Reply to Carla and others Names and other names
>Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:16:25 -0400
>
>Rose:
>The majority of the 70 or more people who work at the AAPA and most of it's
>department heads are non medical people. The Executive Director has always
>been an association manager type who really are in charge of staff and
>building the organization in their likeness. The build the AAPA and not
>necessarily the profession. The Presidents and Boards come and go and
>the staff remains constant.
>They have even been asked to poll the membership (they do a fantastic 
>census
>every year- Can tell you what PAs in dermatology for 3 years make in
>California, but will not ask about the name change issue among many others.
>Dave
>
>On 9/4/07 11:40 PM, "Rose Moran-Kelly" <rosemorankelly at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What are the backgrounds of the executive board of AAPA?  Just curious
> > for obvious reasons
> > Rose
> >
> > On 9/4/07, David Mittman <dmittman at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Many reasons:
> >>
> >> They believe that if we keep our self "invisible" and don't make waves, 
>we
> >> will awake "someday" with 200,000 PAs who can then change things.
> >>
> >> They have been told that if we try to "open up" our legislation to 
>change
> >> our name, the AMA/state med societies will then work hard to change all 
>the
> >> state laws back to 1975.
> >>
> >> None of the Executive Directors of the AAPA have been PAs and I truly
> >> believe do not understand this problem. You all may disagree but I do 
>not
> >> believe anyone understands what it feels to be a PA other than an NP. 
>PAs
> >> tend to believe people who have a history in health politics, wear 
>flashy
> >> suits and tell them what's best for them.
> >>
> >> Leave everything alone. The conference makers millions a year. Why 
>start
> >> problems?? The AAPA gets 7 thousand to a conference.
> >>
> >> AND more.....................................
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/4/07 10:38 PM, "Rose Moran-Kelly" <rosemorankelly at gmail.com> 
>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dave,
> >>> Can you explain why the national association like the name
> >>> PA(assistant)?  It makes no sense.  Such a little change with soooo
> >>> much to gain.
> >>> Rose On 9/4/07 11:40 PM, "Rose Moran-Kelly" <rosemorankelly at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
> > What are the backgrounds of the executive board of AAPA?  Just curious
> > for obvious reasons
> > Rose
> >
> > On 9/4/07, David Mittman <dmittman at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Many reasons:
> >>
> >> They believe that if we keep our self "invisible" and don't make waves, 
>we
> >> will awake "someday" with 200,000 PAs who can then change things.
> >>
> >> They have been told that if we try to "open up" our legislation to 
>change
> >> our name, the AMA/state med societies will then work hard to change all 
>the
> >> state laws back to 1975.
> >>
> >> None of the Executive Directors of the AAPA have been PAs and I truly
> >> believe do not understand this problem. You all may disagree but I do 
>not
> >> believe anyone understands what it feels to be a PA other than an NP. 
>PAs
> >> tend to believe people who have a history in health politics, wear 
>flashy
> >> suits and tell them what's best for them.
> >>
> >> Leave everything alone. The conference makers millions a year. Why 
>start
> >> problems?? The AAPA gets 7 thousand to a conference.
> >>
> >> AND more.....................................
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/4/07 10:38 PM, "Rose Moran-Kelly" <rosemorankelly at gmail.com> 
>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dave,
> >>> Can you explain why the national association like the name
> >>> PA(assistant)?  It makes no sense.  Such a little change with soooo
> >>> much to gain.
> >>> Rose
> >>>
> >>> On 9/4/07, Shelby Havens <shelbyhavens at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Dave:
> >>>>
> >>>> I feel your pain, concerning the term "assistant". Please keep in 
>mind that
> >>>> title "nurse" often means "handmaiden" to the general public. When I
> >>>> enrolled in nursing school, I was motivated by the desire to take 
>care of
> >>>> patients. I was never, ever motivated to be any MD's handmaiden. My 
>primary
> >>>> professional relationship is with my patients, and not with 
>physicians. I
> >>>> never wanted to be anybody's sidekick or assistant. But physicians 
>rule the
> >>>> medical profession. What can I do about that? Not much.
> >>>>
> >>>> Peace,
> >>>>
> >>>> Shelby Havens, ARNP
> >>>>
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