[NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES

Mon Apr 7 05:26:56 PDT 2008

Hello.
Respectfully, I am not being selfish , I did not tell anyone not go obtain  a 
DNP. I think all of us want the best for the profession.At 52 ,with , this  
economy do you really think that I want to be in debt , for 30.000$. It will 
not  increase my salary.
Please ,just do not "Tell " me., that I MUST obtain my DNP!
I obtained my MSN, 20 years, ago , when few where obtaining their  masters.
Margie
In a message dated 4/7/2008 2:11:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ewidemark at earthlink.net writes:

When a  change like this is made regarding the profession, I think we fail to 
look at  what it will mean to future generations, and we focus way too much 
on how it  affects us.  I have always believed the DNP to be a good step for 
the  profession.  In doing so we need to think 20 years in the future after I  
retire, how will this help those professionals of the next generation.   How 
will it help us in getting to the 'table' to be more involved in making  the 
healthcare decisions for the country and less relegated to follow what the  
physicians cram down our throats.

I don't think revamping NP education  and creating a program that allows us 
to advance to a higher educational level  is ever going to hurt this 
profession.  Many had the same gripes when we  made minimum level of practice an MSN.  
The only difference was that  there were much less of us at that time.

I guess I am just tired of  hearing the selfish reasons why we shouldn't be 
DNPs, and I want to hear more  of the selfless reasons why we should be DNPs.  
It isn't about us, it is  about the next generation.  Any transition is 
difficult, but once the 4  years DNP programs are graduating new NPs, no one will 
think twice about  it.

To me the action by the CACC and the Board of Medical Examiners is  one last 
exasperated attempt to limit the DNPs.  But as usual I think  that those that 
take the test will fly by it, and my hope our next step should  be the ability 
to apply for residency programs and fellowships along with the  other 
doctors, thus solidifying ourselves firmly in the healthcare world (I am  sure I'll 
get some comment on this one!!)

Erich

-----Original  Message-----
From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net  [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf 
Of mfnp at cox.net
Sent: Sunday,  April 06, 2008 6:14 PM
To: npinfo at nurse.net
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] CACC  and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES

There is a line that has been drawn,  but it is not between the NPs and 
Physicians, it is between the NPs that  only do clinical,and the "Ivory 
Tower" crowd. The fight is becoming more  prominent and the gap seems to 
be widening and there is no communication  between those that support and 
those that do not. NPs, it appears, as a  whole, that are not in favor of 
these new guidelines and were not  addressed as either individuals or a 
group, are going to get stuck with  guidelines, tests, etc., that once in 
place will not be  reversed.

Maybe, this will also be used to divide the NP field into  levels of 
those that have the DNP, and those that have been practicing and  are not 
going to spend the money to go back to school, and take another  board 
exam. It is being shoved down our throats, and those of us that did  not 
know about this, will eventually have to meet these new guidelines, or  
leave the profession. Like I have said many times, lets just thank the  
few that are making policy for the many. I have not heard, but do we  
have to bow or curtsy to these new "leaders", or do we go back to the  
days when nurses gave up their seats when a "doctor" was present?  Marty

np at c-zone.net wrote:
> With the proliferation of these DNP  & similar programs there will be,
> after a few years, NO choice at  all- it will become a done deal & NPs as
> now exist will cease to  exist as a practical matter. Doctors fear their
> erosion of power &  have been fighting to retain turf and revenue sources
> for many years.  It is going to only get worse. Academics who colloborate
> with the  medical establishment/political power base only make this worse,
> and  are contributing to the demise of the NP concept as a viable practice
>  model.
> It is too bad that there is no equivalent of the National  Rifle
> Association for NPs to fight degree inflation, national  certification,
> etc. they way the NRA fights gun control!  The NRA  does not 'go along to
> get along', it draws a line, fanatically hangs  tough on its core values,
> and actively fights anyone who does not  support their positions.
>
>
> ----- Original Message  -----
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE  LINES
> Date: Sun, April 6, 2008 13:40
> From:  Nbalkon at aol.com
>
>> In a message dated 4/6/2008 11:11:48 AM  Eastern Daylight Time,
>> Margienp at aol.com  writes:
>>
>> Amen  also!
>> NP for 20 years.  I have no intention of that torture   again.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  NANCE WRITES:  You need not be tortured again... Only by   choice!   :-)
>>
>> Nancy Balkon, PhD, ANP-C,  APRN-CS, NPP
>> Southern New York State  Representative --  AANP
>> Clinical Associate Professor, Stony Brook University   School of Nursing
>>
>>
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