[NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES

Mon Apr 7 06:50:34 PDT 2008

There is a university in florida that told the students that ALL np's must  
have their masters by 2015.
I have been told this by several other DNP students from other  universities.
In a message dated 4/7/2008 8:59:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
Dean.Gross at ndsu.edu writes:

Hello,
*Who* is telling you that you must obtain your  DNP?

Margienp at aol.com wrote:
>  
>   
>
> Hello.
> Respectfully, I am not being selfish , I did  not tell anyone not go obtain 
 a 
> DNP. I think all of us want the  best for the profession.At 52 ,with , this 

> economy do you  really think that I want to be in debt , for 30.000$. It 
will 
>  not  increase my salary.
> Please ,just do not "Tell " me., that I  MUST obtain my DNP!
> I obtained my MSN, 20 years, ago , when few where  obtaining their  masters.
> Margie
> In a message dated  4/7/2008 2:11:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
>  ewidemark at earthlink.net writes:
>
> When a  change like this  is made regarding the profession, I think we fail 
to 
> look at   what it will mean to future generations, and we focus way too 
much 
> on  how it  affects us.  I have always believed the DNP to be a good  step 
for 
> the  profession.  In doing so we need to think 20  years in the future 
after I  
> retire, how will this help those  professionals of the next generation.   
How 
> will it help us  in getting to the 'table' to be more involved in making  
the 
>  healthcare decisions for the country and less relegated to follow what  
the  
> physicians cram down our throats.
>
> I don't  think revamping NP education  and creating a program that allows 
us  
> to advance to a higher educational level  is ever going to hurt  this 
> profession.  Many had the same gripes when we  made  minimum level of 
practice an MSN.  
> The only difference was  that  there were much less of us at that time.
>
> I guess I  am just tired of  hearing the selfish reasons why we shouldn't 
be  
> DNPs, and I want to hear more  of the selfless reasons why we  should be 
DNPs.  
> It isn't about us, it is  about the next  generation.  Any transition is 
> difficult, but once the 4   years DNP programs are graduating new NPs, no 
one will 
> think twice  about  it.
>
> To me the action by the CACC and the Board of  Medical Examiners is  one 
last 
> exasperated attempt to limit the  DNPs.  But as usual I think  that those 
that 
> take the test  will fly by it, and my hope our next step should  be the 
ability 
>  to apply for residency programs and fellowships along with the  other  
> doctors, thus solidifying ourselves firmly in the healthcare world (I  am  
sure I'll 
> get some comment on this one!!)
>
>  Erich
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From:  npinfo-bounces at nurse.net  [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On 
Behalf  
> Of mfnp at cox.net
> Sent: Sunday,  April 06, 2008 6:14  PM
> To: npinfo at nurse.net
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] CACC  and  AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES
>
> There is a line that has been  drawn,  but it is not between the NPs and 
> Physicians, it is  between the NPs that  only do clinical,and the "Ivory 
> Tower"  crowd. The fight is becoming more  prominent and the gap seems to  
> be widening and there is no communication  between those that  support and 
> those that do not. NPs, it appears, as a  whole,  that are not in favor of 
> these new guidelines and were not   addressed as either individuals or a 
> group, are going to get stuck  with  guidelines, tests, etc., that once in 
> place will not  be  reversed.
>
> Maybe, this will also be used to divide the  NP field into  levels of 
> those that have the DNP, and those that  have been practicing and  are not 
> going to spend the money to go  back to school, and take another  board 
> exam. It is being shoved  down our throats, and those of us that did  not 
> know about this,  will eventually have to meet these new guidelines, or  
> leave the  profession. Like I have said many times, lets just thank the  
>  few that are making policy for the many. I have not heard, but do we   
> have to bow or curtsy to these new "leaders", or do we go back to  the  
> days when nurses gave up their seats when a "doctor" was  present?  Marty
>
> np at c-zone.net wrote:
>    
>> With the proliferation of these DNP  & similar programs  there will be,
>> after a few years, NO choice at  all- it will  become a done deal & NPs as
>> now exist will cease to   exist as a practical matter. Doctors fear their
>> erosion of power  &  have been fighting to retain turf and revenue sources
>>  for many years.  It is going to only get worse. Academics who  colloborate
>> with the  medical establishment/political power  base only make this worse,
>> and  are contributing to the  demise of the NP concept as a viable practice
>>   model.
>> It is too bad that there is no equivalent of the  National  Rifle
>> Association for NPs to fight degree  inflation, national  certification,
>> etc. they way the NRA  fights gun control!  The NRA  does not 'go along to
>> get  along', it draws a line, fanatically hangs  tough on its core  values,
>> and actively fights anyone who does not  support  their positions.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original  Message  -----
>> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ  BETWEEN THE  LINES
>> Date: Sun, April 6, 2008 13:40
>>  From:  Nbalkon at aol.com
>>
>>      
>>> In a message dated 4/6/2008 11:11:48 AM  Eastern  Daylight Time,
>>> Margienp at aol.com   writes:
>>>
>>> Amen  also!
>>> NP  for 20 years.  I have no intention of that torture    again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   NANCE WRITES:  You need not be tortured again... Only by    choice!   
:-)
>>>
>>> Nancy Balkon, PhD,  ANP-C,  APRN-CS, NPP
>>> Southern New York State   Representative --  AANP
>>> Clinical Associate Professor,  Stony Brook University   School of  Nursing
>>>
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