[NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES

Dena galdena at sbcglobal.net
Mon Apr 7 07:09:11 PDT 2008 

Good grief!! I can't believe all the confusion and ignorance on the DNP
degree... doesn't anyone READ their journals and keep up with what's going
on?? First of all, the MSN for NPs has been a requirement for a number of
years already. The DNP is proposed as the new ENTRY level for all NEW NPS by
2015-- that means that NP programs will transition from the standard 2 yr
MSN program to the new 4 yr DNP program. All "old" MSN prepared NPs will be
grandfathered in and not be required to have a DNP for practice... but are
certainly welcomed to enroll in one of the 18-24 month bridging program if
they care to get theirs-- voluntarily. That being said, it is much like the
certificate vs MSN NPs... the certificate NPs were grandfathered in and
weren't required to have a MSN but large numbers went back to get a post-NP
MSN to stay marketable. 
Dena Galler

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf
Of Margienp at aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 6:51 AM
To: npinfo at nurse.net
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES

 
 

There is a university in florida that told the students that ALL np's must  
have their masters by 2015.
I have been told this by several other DNP students from other
universities.
In a message dated 4/7/2008 8:59:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
Dean.Gross at ndsu.edu writes:

Hello,
*Who* is telling you that you must obtain your  DNP?

Margienp at aol.com wrote:
>  
>   
>
> Hello.
> Respectfully, I am not being selfish , I did  not tell anyone not go
obtain 
 a 
> DNP. I think all of us want the  best for the profession.At 52 ,with ,
this 
 
> economy do you  really think that I want to be in debt , for 30.000$. It 
will 
>  not  increase my salary.
> Please ,just do not "Tell " me., that I  MUST obtain my DNP!
> I obtained my MSN, 20 years, ago , when few where  obtaining their
masters.
> Margie
> In a message dated  4/7/2008 2:11:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
>  ewidemark at earthlink.net writes:
>
> When a  change like this  is made regarding the profession, I think we
fail 
to 
> look at   what it will mean to future generations, and we focus way too 
much 
> on  how it  affects us.  I have always believed the DNP to be a good  step

for 
> the  profession.  In doing so we need to think 20  years in the future 
after I  
> retire, how will this help those  professionals of the next generation.   
How 
> will it help us  in getting to the 'table' to be more involved in making  
the 
>  healthcare decisions for the country and less relegated to follow what  
the  
> physicians cram down our throats.
>
> I don't  think revamping NP education  and creating a program that allows 
us  
> to advance to a higher educational level  is ever going to hurt  this 
> profession.  Many had the same gripes when we  made  minimum level of 
practice an MSN.  
> The only difference was  that  there were much less of us at that time.
>
> I guess I  am just tired of  hearing the selfish reasons why we shouldn't 
be  
> DNPs, and I want to hear more  of the selfless reasons why we  should be 
DNPs.  
> It isn't about us, it is  about the next  generation.  Any transition is 
> difficult, but once the 4   years DNP programs are graduating new NPs, no 
one will 
> think twice  about  it.
>
> To me the action by the CACC and the Board of  Medical Examiners is  one 
last 
> exasperated attempt to limit the  DNPs.  But as usual I think  that those 
that 
> take the test  will fly by it, and my hope our next step should  be the 
ability 
>  to apply for residency programs and fellowships along with the  other  
> doctors, thus solidifying ourselves firmly in the healthcare world (I  am

sure I'll 
> get some comment on this one!!)
>
>  Erich
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From:  npinfo-bounces at nurse.net  [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On 
Behalf  
> Of mfnp at cox.net
> Sent: Sunday,  April 06, 2008 6:14  PM
> To: npinfo at nurse.net
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] CACC  and  AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES
>
> There is a line that has been  drawn,  but it is not between the NPs and 
> Physicians, it is  between the NPs that  only do clinical,and the "Ivory 
> Tower"  crowd. The fight is becoming more  prominent and the gap seems to

> be widening and there is no communication  between those that  support and

> those that do not. NPs, it appears, as a  whole,  that are not in favor of

> these new guidelines and were not   addressed as either individuals or a 
> group, are going to get stuck  with  guidelines, tests, etc., that once in

> place will not  be  reversed.
>
> Maybe, this will also be used to divide the  NP field into  levels of 
> those that have the DNP, and those that  have been practicing and  are not

> going to spend the money to go  back to school, and take another  board 
> exam. It is being shoved  down our throats, and those of us that did  not 
> know about this,  will eventually have to meet these new guidelines, or  
> leave the  profession. Like I have said many times, lets just thank the  
>  few that are making policy for the many. I have not heard, but do we   
> have to bow or curtsy to these new "leaders", or do we go back to  the  
> days when nurses gave up their seats when a "doctor" was  present?  Marty
>
> np at c-zone.net wrote:
>    
>> With the proliferation of these DNP  & similar programs  there will be,
>> after a few years, NO choice at  all- it will  become a done deal & NPs
as
>> now exist will cease to   exist as a practical matter. Doctors fear their
>> erosion of power  &  have been fighting to retain turf and revenue
sources
>>  for many years.  It is going to only get worse. Academics who
colloborate
>> with the  medical establishment/political power  base only make this
worse,
>> and  are contributing to the  demise of the NP concept as a viable
practice
>>   model.
>> It is too bad that there is no equivalent of the  National  Rifle
>> Association for NPs to fight degree  inflation, national  certification,
>> etc. they way the NRA  fights gun control!  The NRA  does not 'go along
to
>> get  along', it draws a line, fanatically hangs  tough on its core
values,
>> and actively fights anyone who does not  support  their positions.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original  Message  -----
>> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ  BETWEEN THE  LINES
>> Date: Sun, April 6, 2008 13:40
>>  From:  Nbalkon at aol.com
>>
>>      
>>> In a message dated 4/6/2008 11:11:48 AM  Eastern  Daylight Time,
>>> Margienp at aol.com   writes:
>>>
>>> Amen  also!
>>> NP  for 20 years.  I have no intention of that torture    again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   NANCE WRITES:  You need not be tortured again... Only by    choice!   
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