[NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES
Margienp at aol.com
Margienp at aol.com
Mon Apr 7 11:28:33 PDT 2008
I am well aware of this.
I was not the person giving the wrong information . I did not argue with the
students.
I am not sure if the part about reading the journals is directed at me , my
e mail was discussing students of DNP./
I am well aware of everything YOU SAID!!!!!
I WAS TALKING ABOUT INFORMATION THAT DNP STUDENTS WERE GIVEN BY their
professors .
SO WHY are the prof's giving out the wrong infol.
DO not kill the messenger.
In a message dated 4/7/2008 10:10:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
galdena at sbcglobal.net writes:
Good grief!! I can't believe all the confusion and ignorance on the DNP
degree... doesn't anyone READ their journals and keep up with what's going
on?? First of all, the MSN for NPs has been a requirement for a number of
years already. The DNP is proposed as the new ENTRY level for all NEW NPS by
2015-- that means that NP programs will transition from the standard 2 yr
MSN program to the new 4 yr DNP program. All "old" MSN prepared NPs will be
grandfathered in and not be required to have a DNP for practice... but are
certainly welcomed to enroll in one of the 18-24 month bridging program if
they care to get theirs-- voluntarily. That being said, it is much like the
certificate vs MSN NPs... the certificate NPs were grandfathered in and
weren't required to have a MSN but large numbers went back to get a post-NP
MSN to stay marketable.
Dena Galler
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From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf
Of Margienp at aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 6:51 AM
To: npinfo at nurse.net
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES
There is a university in florida that told the students that ALL np's must
have their masters by 2015.
I have been told this by several other DNP students from other
universities.
In a message dated 4/7/2008 8:59:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Dean.Gross at ndsu.edu writes:
Hello,
*Who* is telling you that you must obtain your DNP?
Margienp at aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello.
> Respectfully, I am not being selfish , I did not tell anyone not go
obtain
a
> DNP. I think all of us want the best for the profession.At 52 ,with ,
this
> economy do you really think that I want to be in debt , for 30.000$. It
will
> not increase my salary.
> Please ,just do not "Tell " me., that I MUST obtain my DNP!
> I obtained my MSN, 20 years, ago , when few where obtaining their
masters.
> Margie
> In a message dated 4/7/2008 2:11:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ewidemark at earthlink.net writes:
>
> When a change like this is made regarding the profession, I think we
fail
to
> look at what it will mean to future generations, and we focus way too
much
> on how it affects us. I have always believed the DNP to be a good step
for
> the profession. In doing so we need to think 20 years in the future
after I
> retire, how will this help those professionals of the next generation.
How
> will it help us in getting to the 'table' to be more involved in making
the
> healthcare decisions for the country and less relegated to follow what
the
> physicians cram down our throats.
>
> I don't think revamping NP education and creating a program that allows
us
> to advance to a higher educational level is ever going to hurt this
> profession. Many had the same gripes when we made minimum level of
practice an MSN.
> The only difference was that there were much less of us at that time.
>
> I guess I am just tired of hearing the selfish reasons why we shouldn't
be
> DNPs, and I want to hear more of the selfless reasons why we should be
DNPs.
> It isn't about us, it is about the next generation. Any transition is
> difficult, but once the 4 years DNP programs are graduating new NPs, no
one will
> think twice about it.
>
> To me the action by the CACC and the Board of Medical Examiners is one
last
> exasperated attempt to limit the DNPs. But as usual I think that those
that
> take the test will fly by it, and my hope our next step should be the
ability
> to apply for residency programs and fellowships along with the other
> doctors, thus solidifying ourselves firmly in the healthcare world (I am
sure I'll
> get some comment on this one!!)
>
> Erich
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On
Behalf
> Of mfnp at cox.net
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:14 PM
> To: npinfo at nurse.net
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES
>
> There is a line that has been drawn, but it is not between the NPs and
> Physicians, it is between the NPs that only do clinical,and the "Ivory
> Tower" crowd. The fight is becoming more prominent and the gap seems to
> be widening and there is no communication between those that support and
> those that do not. NPs, it appears, as a whole, that are not in favor of
> these new guidelines and were not addressed as either individuals or a
> group, are going to get stuck with guidelines, tests, etc., that once in
> place will not be reversed.
>
> Maybe, this will also be used to divide the NP field into levels of
> those that have the DNP, and those that have been practicing and are not
> going to spend the money to go back to school, and take another board
> exam. It is being shoved down our throats, and those of us that did not
> know about this, will eventually have to meet these new guidelines, or
> leave the profession. Like I have said many times, lets just thank the
> few that are making policy for the many. I have not heard, but do we
> have to bow or curtsy to these new "leaders", or do we go back to the
> days when nurses gave up their seats when a "doctor" was present? Marty
>
> np at c-zone.net wrote:
>
>> With the proliferation of these DNP & similar programs there will be,
>> after a few years, NO choice at all- it will become a done deal & NPs
as
>> now exist will cease to exist as a practical matter. Doctors fear their
>> erosion of power & have been fighting to retain turf and revenue
sources
>> for many years. It is going to only get worse. Academics who
colloborate
>> with the medical establishment/political power base only make this
worse,
>> and are contributing to the demise of the NP concept as a viable
practice
>> model.
>> It is too bad that there is no equivalent of the National Rifle
>> Association for NPs to fight degree inflation, national certification,
>> etc. they way the NRA fights gun control! The NRA does not 'go along
to
>> get along', it draws a line, fanatically hangs tough on its core
values,
>> and actively fights anyone who does not support their positions.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES
>> Date: Sun, April 6, 2008 13:40
>> From: Nbalkon at aol.com
>>
>>
>>> In a message dated 4/6/2008 11:11:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> Margienp at aol.com writes:
>>>
>>> Amen also!
>>> NP for 20 years. I have no intention of that torture again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NANCE WRITES: You need not be tortured again... Only by choice!
:-)
>>>
>>> Nancy Balkon, PhD, ANP-C, APRN-CS, NPP
>>> Southern New York State Representative -- AANP
>>> Clinical Associate Professor, Stony Brook University School of
Nursing
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