[NPInfo] CACC and AACN-residencies

Mon Apr 7 11:33:46 PDT 2008

Hi Erich,

When you say "apply for residency programs and fellowships along with  
the other doctors" are you thinking that NPs prepared with the DNP  
are going to be considered to have the equivalent of a MD degree?

I can't imagine any scenario where NPs will enter medical  
residencies. That whole process is very tightly controlled and  
competitive through the graduate medical education matching programs.

DNP's are going to be no smarter than an experienced NP with a  
Master's who has taken the time and trouble to learn some basic  
information about medical research, health care policy and politics,  
health care economics, basic medico-legal concepts--with the emphasis  
on "basic" (I am thinking one course to cover each area). They will  
have a degree "DNP" which says they took those courses and have a  
basic grasp. As clinicians they are only going to be as good as their  
clinical instructors (who are most likely going to be DNP's who are  
really those Master's-prepared people I mentioned at the beginning of  
this paragraph who most likely got their DNP via a bridge program,  
which from what Dena says is didactic content only).

This new exam is something anyone could have predicted. The new DNP's  
are not going to impress anyone if they take the ANCC exam and fail  
it! They have to have their own unique certification exam that none  
of us Master's NPs are allowed to even take. If we were permitted to  
take the new DNP exam to re-certify, and were to pass it, that would  
not cast a very flattering light on the DNP programs.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

> To me the action by the CACC and the Board of Medical Examiners is  
> one last exasperated attempt to limit the DNPs.  But as usual I  
> think that those that take the test will fly by it, and my hope our  
> next step should be the ability to apply for residency programs and  
> fellowships along with the other doctors, thus solidifying  
> ourselves firmly in the healthcare world (I am sure I'll get some  
> comment on this one!!)
>
> Erich
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On  
> Behalf Of mfnp at cox.net
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:14 PM
> To: npinfo at nurse.net
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES
>
> There is a line that has been drawn, but it is not between the NPs and
> Physicians, it is between the NPs that only do clinical,and the "Ivory
> Tower" crowd. The fight is becoming more prominent and the gap  
> seems to
> be widening and there is no communication between those that  
> support and
> those that do not. NPs, it appears, as a whole, that are not in  
> favor of
> these new guidelines and were not addressed as either individuals or a
> group, are going to get stuck with guidelines, tests, etc., that  
> once in
> place will not be reversed.
>
> Maybe, this will also be used to divide the NP field into levels of
> those that have the DNP, and those that have been practicing and  
> are not
> going to spend the money to go back to school, and take another board
> exam. It is being shoved down our throats, and those of us that did  
> not
> know about this, will eventually have to meet these new guidelines, or
> leave the profession. Like I have said many times, lets just thank the
> few that are making policy for the many. I have not heard, but do we
> have to bow or curtsy to these new "leaders", or do we go back to the
> days when nurses gave up their seats when a "doctor" was present?  
> Marty
>
> np at c-zone.net wrote:
>> With the proliferation of these DNP & similar programs there will be,
>> after a few years, NO choice at all- it will become a done deal &  
>> NPs as
>> now exist will cease to exist as a practical matter. Doctors fear  
>> their
>> erosion of power & have been fighting to retain turf and revenue  
>> sources
>> for many years. It is going to only get worse. Academics who  
>> colloborate
>> with the medical establishment/political power base only make this  
>> worse,
>> and are contributing to the demise of the NP concept as a viable  
>> practice
>> model.
>> It is too bad that there is no equivalent of the National Rifle
>> Association for NPs to fight degree inflation, national  
>> certification,
>> etc. they way the NRA fights gun control!  The NRA does not 'go  
>> along to
>> get along', it draws a line, fanatically hangs tough on its core  
>> values,
>> and actively fights anyone who does not support their positions.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES
>> Date: Sun, April 6, 2008 13:40
>> From: Nbalkon at aol.com
>>
>>> In a message dated 4/6/2008 11:11:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> Margienp at aol.com writes:
>>>
>>> Amen  also!
>>> NP for 20 years. I have no intention of that torture  again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NANCE WRITES:  You need not be tortured again... Only by   
>>> choice!   :-)
>>>
>>> Nancy Balkon, PhD, ANP-C, APRN-CS, NPP
>>> Southern New York State  Representative -- AANP
>>> Clinical Associate Professor, Stony Brook University  School of  
>>> Nursing
>>>
>>>
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