[NPInfo]
"...line that has been drawn, but it's not between the NPs & Phy...
Stephanie Walker
stephanie2u at optonline.net
Mon Apr 7 11:54:49 PDT 2008
I think that anyone who practices as a NP should be able to sit for
any NP exam out there.
If you think of it, having a DNP is not easy to sell as being special
if you are sitting for the same ANCC certification exam that Master's-
prepared NPs take and pass.
It's not all new grads we're talking about: there are some
experienced Master's prepared NP's taking certification exams (if
they were late re-certifying using the continuing ed criteria, they
have to re-take the exam).
So what do you do if you are Mary Mundinger & her friends on the
CACC? You get a DIFFERENT certifying body to write an exam for DNP's
and you exclude Master's prepared NPs from taking it, so there's no
basis for comparison between the DNP group and the Master's group.
So I think a Master's prepared NP should be able to take this new
exam too. Then the DNP's can't use it to set themselves apart and
undermine Master's prepared NPs. (Of course, they wouldn't MEAN to do
it; it just would happen. What do they call that: the law of
unintended consequences, I think.)
Stephanie Walker, FNP
On Apr 7, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Margienp at aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> I think this is what I was speaking of.
> In a message dated 4/6/2008 11:25:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> galdena at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> So how do we go about getting everyone to stand behind "JUST SAY
> NO" to this
> new certification exam?? Already, one person on this listserve has
> said they
> plan to take it. If a large number of DNPs do fall for this
> gimmick, I
> predict it WILL become required in the future. And, if they do
> take the
> exam, will we lose jobs to these newly certified DNPs if we DON'T
> have this
> certification?
> Dena Galler
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf
> Of EPartinFNP at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:02 PM
> To: npinfo at nurse.net
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] "...line that has been drawn,but it's not
> between the
> NPs & Phy...
>
> Marty,
> I have been blasted before on this list serv for speaking out in
> support of
>
> the DNP, but I will respond again to try to answer your question.
> I am not
> part of any academic group, but I do support the move to DNP as
> entry to
> practice for ARNPs. I do have a DNP degree, but I took the long
> route,
> starting out
> as a LPN, then ADN, BSN, MSN and finally DNP. At each step along
> the way I
> learned. (Although, I only obtained my BSN because I thought it
> was going
> to
> be required for entry into practice. As an ADN, I thought,
> wrongly, I knew
> all
> that I needed to know as a nurse.) Besides the educational value
> of my
> degree, it has brought me additional respect from other
> professionals. In
> my
> legislative work, having the title "doctor" lends more weight to
> what I
> have to
> say. Like it or not, when I use the title, people are more
> willing to
> listen to
> me. In order to gain full reimbursement for what we do and to be
> accepted
> as
> a full partner in health care, and not an underling or someone to be
> supervised, we need to have equal status with other health care
> providers.
>
> The move to the DNP must not disenfranchise any currently practicing
> masters
> prepared ARNPs. I believe strongly that MSN prepared ARNPs are
> excellent
> health care providers.
>
> I do not support the CACC exam for DNP graduates. ARNPs do not
> need to
> compare themselves to physicians and we do not need to pass a
> test written
> by/for
> physicians. The measure of quality is not to be like a physician.
> The
> measure
> of quality for ARNPs is to be the best of nursing and nursing must
> determine
> the measure. The current certification exams written by nursing
> organizations, should stand as the basis for certification whether
> the
> degree is MSN or
> DNP. This new exam only acts as a divider for our profession.
> Heaven knows,
>
> there is enough divisiveness in nursing without throwing up
> something else!
>
>
> Beth Partin
>
>
> In a message dated 4/6/2008 9:22:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> mfnp at cox.net
> writes:
>
> Nancy, From the responses you, and I would think many in NY,
> would be
> better informed than most. But, from the responses, it appears the
> majority of NPs were caught totally unaware. Speaking for myself,
> I have
> no intention of obtaining another degree, nor do I believe it
> will make
> me any better or worse, as a practitioner. I also do not want to
> spend
> the money, nor sit for another exam, especially one that is made
> to meet
> the level of one aspect of a physician's education. as was stated
> in the
> article. The second that physicians have input into our education
> and
> qualifications, only erodes our own profession, and ability to make
> decisions on a nursing level, not in comparison, or competition with
> physicians.
>
> One thing that I have never understood is why these additional
> exams and
> educational steps are primarily supported by those that are in, or a
> part of, academics, and I would be open if anyone could neutrally
> explain this to me and the group?
> Marty
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