[NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES

[Calif NP]

In CA a NP can still(?) graduate from a NP program without a MSN and without
a BSN (must likely have BA or BS in something, together with RN license in
good standing). Frequent examples of this might be a military trained
'nurse' who challenged RN boards somewhere, migrated to CA, got CA RN
license & then went into a CA NP program.  But, the obvious trend (if not
all programs now) is to require MSN either before or concurrent with NP
program.   Is any segment of the public in CA concerned or endangered by
this - nope.  Should anyone be concerned about this- nope.   NPs in CA have
an absolutely stellar record with the public and otherwise, in all respects.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Havens, Shelby" <havens.shelby at mail.dc.state.fl.us>
To: "NP Info" <npinfo at nurse.net>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES


>
> The American Association of Colleges of Nursing has instituted a cutoff
> date of 2015 for the DNP being the entry level to practice for advanced
> practice nursing. Those of us who are masters-prepared have seven years
> to think about all of this. Thankfully, I will be retired by then and
> won't have to worry about it.
>
> It is probably a good idea for nurse practitioners to have doctoral
> degrees, in the long run. It does increase our status, even though it
> may not have a direct effect on our scope of practice. There is still a
> lot of ignorance about nurse practitioners. Just last year an RN in my
> department asked me if a BSN is required for ARNP licensure. It hasn't
> been that long ago that a diploma grad could get an NP certificate and
> become licensed with NO degree whatsoever.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Shelby Havens, ARNP
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On
> Behalf Of mfnp at cox.net
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 3:43 PM
> To: npinfo at nurse.net
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] CACC and AACN-READ BETWEEN THE LINES
>
> AGAIN-This is being crammed down everyone's throat.
>
> 1.   How will it look when one NP always addresses themselves as "Dr.",
> and those from the "old school" can not?
> 2.   There may be a bridge program, but who is going to pay for this
> education?
> 3.   Besides the typical garbage about increased education and all, what
>
> is in it for the NP? No change in reimbursement! No change in staff
> privileges! and           now, with this new issue, you will spend a
> great deal more, and have eroded some of the nursing by allowing
> physicians to dictate how NPs will be
>       prepared to practice, and in fact, it will add another exam, which
>
> was stated to be one that "medical students take".
> 4.   If you were going to change the current program, why not add a NP
> residency, or something else that would better prepare, as well as
> demonstrate to the
>       public and other providers, that the profession is responding to
> better educate and prepare the graduate for practice. Another degree,
> except for ego, does
>       nothing to address this.
> 5.  The _only ones that will immediately benefit_ will be the
> institutions that sponsor these programs, as well as whatever instructor
>
> works for the school.
> 6.   If this is entry, what other level is there?
>
> In a theoretical sense, "WHATS IN IT FOR ME", and WHY should another 2
> years be tacked onto entry level? But you have to love a system that
> allows the smallest minority to dictate, without thinking of the
> consequences, to the majority how they will do things, without offering,
>
> and documenting benefits for the change. Wait, isn't that the same as
> our government? Maybe we are not training NPs, but future politicians
> which would explain why there are no facts to support the changes, just
> theory.
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