[NPInfo] re: DNP thread

[Dena]

The same people who are teaching the MSN NP students... since there won't BE
any MSN NP students any more. The program I'm in has PhDs, DNScs, and DNPs
teaching-- all nurses except one guy from Univ CA at San Francisco who
taught us our technical writing course and an attorney-physical therapist
who taught our medical-legal class.
Dena Galler

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf
Of Margienp at aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 5:23 AM
To: npinfo at nurse.net
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] re: DNP thread

 
 

Who will teach the dNP students?
In a message dated 4/9/2008 7:32:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
meyerlm at chartermi.net writes:

Marty,
I agree with what you've said.  And it made me think of  another point:  we 
supposedly have a shortage now of nursing  instructors for ADN and BSN 
programs.  Will the "diverting" of  nursing professors to teach in DNP 
programs worsen this  shortage?

Lisa

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  <mfnp at cox.net>
To: <npinfo at nurse.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April  09, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] re: DNP thread


> Isn't  that why you took up running? There is no top level, because of the

>  same adage, "those that can do, will do it, and those who can not teach".

> If you look at the system, and the more recent history of Nursing,  you
can 
> see that those involved in Academia are the one's who control  the levels,

> and they keep raising the bar. So as long as these  conditions continue, 
> change is impossible.
>
> Nursing is  not a democracy, it is closer to a dictatorship, where 
> decisions and  policies are made from those that control the system. If 
> they are not  happy, they change things. They are also the ones that have 
>  controlled Nursing for so long, because if you can not get whatever 
>  education is required to enter the profession, you can not go anywhere.  
> Some physicians do full time academics, but they are a small minority  in 
> comparison to the percentage in Nursing, and, except for  specializations,

> their levels of training begin and end at the entry  level, while Nursing 
> keeps raising the bar and one has to question to  whose benefit?
>
> Physicians have uniformity that Nursing has not  even come close to 
> meeting, nor do I believe they want to. There are  how many medical
schools 
> or nursing schools, and the number of  nursing schools keeps growing?
Also, 
> Nursing has never learned that  "putting the cart before the horse" does 
> not work, but the  educational systems have to keep upping the stakes or 
> they will be  out of both a position and need.
>
> This is unique to nursing and  nursing alone. For example, if you enter 
> "education" to become a  teacher, you may incur step increases in pay when

> you finish a  program or advanced degree, but, while administration being 
> the  highest level of the field, would like doctoral prepared candidates, 
>  it is not required. Even when you do reach the highest level, it is more

> political than educationally oriented, which can not be said for  Nursing.

> So we have all allowed the system to be controlled by the  very system
that 
> allowed us to enter the profession.
>
>  What that translates into is that unless the control is maintained by the

> same gate keepers that allow one to enter, they will probably always  keep

> raising the bar, because it means their jobs, and many could not  work in 
> the field, or want to, just keep in academia. This has  perpetuated
itself, 
> and I do not see any changes, or any reason that  the "leaders" want a 
> change. Therefore, we are not fully consulted of  proposed changes, if at 
> all, and those that can, will make the bar  higher and higher because
"they 
> can"! Marty
>
> Diana  Galler wrote:
>> Unfortunately, I doubt that the DNP degree will ever  be considered a 
>> "terminal" degree for NPs... it will be entry  level only with the PhD
and 
>> DNSc still the "ultimate"  degrees.  Already I've heard discussions of 
>> DNP-to-PhD  programs and it just makes me want to spit!!! I don't think I

>>  will ever hit the top rung in nursing in this lifetime since they keep  
>> dangling that darn carrot further and further away just as I get  closer 
>> to nabbing it.
>>   Dena  Galler
>>
>>
>>   I agree that the move  to DNP is not the magic wand that will 
>> immediately
>>  change reimbursement, respect, access to care, etc..... but from a
>>  professional standpoint it is a needed move to show a terminal  practice
>> degree for the  profession.
>>
>>
>> Mary  Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>> NPInfo mailing  list
>> NPInfo at nurse.net
>>  http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo
>>  *****************************
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>> NPInfo mailing  list
>> NPInfo at nurse.net
>>  http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo
>>  *****************************
>>
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
> NPInfo mailing  list
> NPInfo at nurse.net
>  http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo
>  *****************************  

_______________________________________________
NPInfo mailing  list
NPInfo at nurse.net
http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo
*****************************





Be kinder  than necessary, everyone you meet is fighting some kind of
battle.



**************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides.

 
(http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)
_______________________________________________
NPInfo mailing list
NPInfo at nurse.net
http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo
*****************************