[NPInfo] re: DNP thread

Fri Apr 11 08:22:29 PDT 2008

Conrad--
  I am encouraging any and every NP to participate in my project and will let the statistician and my mentor decide who to keep in for the final data interpretation based on their job titles entered in the demographics-- so, feel free to jump in any time!
  Dena 

Conrad Rios <conrad.rios at ucdmc.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
  Yes it will be the same faculty who teach MSN NP students, for those
schools who will make the transition.
I am not in the classroom much like I was before for UC Davis while it had
it's satellite program in Fresno. I mainly do workshops on the PDA, or
suture repair, I & D classes and poster presentation. As clinical faculty I
visit my NP students in Primary care. That reminds me Dena you wanted
mainly Primary Care NPs to do your survery.Not sure if I am eligible. Let
me know I may end up being an outlier messing up your Stats.
It also could be faculty who are with a register and can teach on-line
courses. They can be across the country. I recently filled out an on-line
form asking me what it would take to be part of a "faculty registry" I
basically said
it would be the money.
My 2 cents

Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email: conrad.rios at ucdmc.ucdavis.edu
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu

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The same people who are teaching the MSN NP students... since there won't
BE
any MSN NP students any more. The program I'm in has PhDs, DNScs, and DNPs
teaching-- all nurses except one guy from Univ CA at San Francisco who
taught us our technical writing course and an attorney-physical therapist
who taught our medical-legal class.
Dena Galler

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Who will teach the dNP students?
In a message dated 4/9/2008 7:32:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
meyerlm at chartermi.net writes:

Marty,
I agree with what you've said. And it made me think of another point: we

supposedly have a shortage now of nursing instructors for ADN and BSN
programs. Will the "diverting" of nursing professors to teach in DNP
programs worsen this shortage?

Lisa

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> Isn't that why you took up running? There is no top level, because of
the

> same adage, "those that can do, will do it, and those who can not
teach".

> If you look at the system, and the more recent history of Nursing, you
can
> see that those involved in Academia are the one's who control the
levels,

> and they keep raising the bar. So as long as these conditions continue,
> change is impossible.
>
> Nursing is not a democracy, it is closer to a dictatorship, where
> decisions and policies are made from those that control the system. If
> they are not happy, they change things. They are also the ones that have

> controlled Nursing for so long, because if you can not get whatever
> education is required to enter the profession, you can not go anywhere.

> Some physicians do full time academics, but they are a small minority in

> comparison to the percentage in Nursing, and, except for
specializations,

> their levels of training begin and end at the entry level, while Nursing

> keeps raising the bar and one has to question to whose benefit?
>
> Physicians have uniformity that Nursing has not even come close to
> meeting, nor do I believe they want to. There are how many medical
schools
> or nursing schools, and the number of nursing schools keeps growing?
Also,
> Nursing has never learned that "putting the cart before the horse" does
> not work, but the educational systems have to keep upping the stakes or
> they will be out of both a position and need.
>
> This is unique to nursing and nursing alone. For example, if you enter
> "education" to become a teacher, you may incur step increases in pay
when

> you finish a program or advanced degree, but, while administration being

> the highest level of the field, would like doctoral prepared candidates,

> it is not required. Even when you do reach the highest level, it is more

> political than educationally oriented, which can not be said for
Nursing.

> So we have all allowed the system to be controlled by the very system
that
> allowed us to enter the profession.
>
> What that translates into is that unless the control is maintained by
the

> same gate keepers that allow one to enter, they will probably always
keep

> raising the bar, because it means their jobs, and many could not work in

> the field, or want to, just keep in academia. This has perpetuated
itself,
> and I do not see any changes, or any reason that the "leaders" want a
> change. Therefore, we are not fully consulted of proposed changes, if at

> all, and those that can, will make the bar higher and higher because
"they
> can"! Marty
>
> Diana Galler wrote:
>> Unfortunately, I doubt that the DNP degree will ever be considered a
>> "terminal" degree for NPs... it will be entry level only with the PhD
and
>> DNSc still the "ultimate" degrees. Already I've heard discussions of
>> DNP-to-PhD programs and it just makes me want to spit!!! I don't think
I

>> will ever hit the top rung in nursing in this lifetime since they keep

>> dangling that darn carrot further and further away just as I get closer

>> to nabbing it.
>> Dena Galler
>>
>>
>> I agree that the move to DNP is not the magic wand that will
>> immediately
>> change reimbursement, respect, access to care, etc..... but from a
>> professional standpoint it is a needed move to show a terminal
practice
>> degree for the profession.
>>
>>
>> Mary Elizabeth
>>
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