[NPInfo] Call me "Dr. Nurse"

[Shelby Havens]

Dear Judi:
 
See below:
 
 
CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY: 
 
 
 
Degree

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bachelor of Architecture

Track
Degree no longer NAAB accredited

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History
Accredited from 1945/46 through 1949/50; 1953/54 through 1976/77; and from 1986 through December 31, 2005.
 
ROGER WILLIAMS INSTITUTE:
 



Degree
Bachelor of Architecture

Track
Degree is in the process of being phased out

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History
Accredited from 1985 through December 31, 2009.
 
 
 
The above information is from the National Architectural Accreditating Board website (information retrieved today). The Catholic University bachelors degree program is no longer accredited, and the Roger Williams Institute bachelors degree program is being phased out. I am not familiar with the Carnegie Mellon program or the Rensselaer Polytechnic program. 
 
If you are paying your kid's tuition, you may want to get YOUR facts straight about what kind of degree is necessary to get him or her registered, licensed, and employable as an architect. You don't seem to be up to speed on the current standards. I was married to a registered, licensed, employed architect, and I can tell you that the masters degree is the gold standard for that profession. 
 
Best Regards,
 
Shelby Havens, ARNP
 
 
 
 
 
 > From: jshea-vaillancourt at comcast.net> To: npinfo at nurse.net> Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Call me "Dr. Nurse"> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:51:02 -0400> > As a parent of a child in a 5 yr BS architecture program.....they did not> fall by the wayside......Most programs still require the 5 yr and then 6> mo-1y for the MS> And while other programs have gone the way of making a D the entry- and I> am not on either side of this issue with Nursing as a whole if we are> going to make sweeping assurance we should be clear of the facts> The BS Architecture at Roger Williams(RI) is a 5 yr program at Catholic> university ( DC) at CMU ( Pittsburgh) and at RPI (NY)> You can still enter pharmacy with a 5 yr degree and not get a pharm D> Judi Shea-Vaillancourt MSN FNP> Sib of a 5 yr non pharmD, mother of a Architecture student year 3> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf> Of David Mittman> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:51 PM> To: NP Info> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Call me "Dr. Nurse"> > You do not need to graduate college to go to med school. You do need > the required courses. MCATs,etc.> Interesting.> Dave> On Apr 28, 2008, at 3:38 PM, Havens, Shelby wrote:> > >> > Gino:> >> > Professions grow and change. I lived in Alabama when I was younger > > and worked as a paralegal at an Alabama law firm for awhile when I > > was in college. I learned something very interesting about the > > history of practicing law in Alabama. Until the 1960's, there was > > only one law school in the entire state (University of Alabama). It > > was assumed that if you graduated from the law school, you were > > automatically eligible for licensure in the state of Alabama, since > > you graduated from the state school. There was no bar examination.> >> > Then Samford University in Birmingham opened a law school, and > > Samford is a private school. So the graduates of BOTH law schools > > had to start sitting for bar exams upon graduation.> >> > Even earlier in the evolution of legal education, graduates were > > required to earn only a bachelor's degree in order to practice law, > > before the Juris Doctor degree became the entry level for practice. > > Even after the Juris Doctor came into being, some colleges allowed > > students to enter law school after only three years of college. > > They weren't required to first earn their bachelors degree in order > > to get into law school.> >> > I was married to an architect in a former life, at a time when a > > "fifth year" bachelors degree was sufficient to become a registered > > architect. Now a masters degree is required and the 5 year > > baccalaureate programs have gone by the wayside.> >> > So I really don't think what is happening with NP education is too > > uncommon. Unfortunately, I don't think that the DNP degree will > > solve all our problems. There may STILL be further developments > > down the road in NP education, and I don't like the situation any > > better than you do. I feel your pain!> >> >> > Best Regards,> >> > Shelby Havens, ARNP> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On > > Behalf Of Gino> > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:12 PM> > To: npinfo at nurse.net> > Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Call me "Dr. Nurse"> >> >> > Hello All,> >> > I posed a few weeks ago as someone who will be starting NP school > > in the fall. I continue to feel uneasy about entering the > > profession right now but my question to the list is, will any of > > this change despite the outcry by the current NP community? Is the > > DNP requirement and the tide of change that will accompany it > > something we are stuck with? I I would hope that the powers that > > be would actually consider the concerns of those practicing but > > from what I've read, I don't remain optimistic. Sadly, I'm > > resigning myself to the thought of another 2 years (and ~$25K more) > > of education after my 3 year NP program. Had I been aware of this > > two years ago, I wonder if my career path would be different.> >> > Cheers,> > Gino Paolucci> > Rhode Island> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Havens, Shelby <havens.shelby at mail.dc.state.fl.us>> > To: NP Info <npinfo at nurse.net>> > Sent: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:10 am> > Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Call me "Dr. Nurse"> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Lisa:> >> > Sometimes I think about working as a barista at Starbucks. I would > > have autonomy> > there and could brew up an espresso all on my own, without a > > protocol and a> > supervising physician. But being an NP pays better!> >> > There are some DNP online programs that have minimal residency > > requirements, and> > they wouldn't involve much travel. But I agree with you that we > > don't need more> > leadership, theory, and health policy courses. The title of > > "doctor" won't mean> > much for us as a profession unless our scope of practice expands > > with the title.> > I don't think the DNP will help us much politically.> >> > I work in a psychiatric unit with a mental health counselor who has > > a doctoral> > degree in Divinity. She insists on being called "Dr.", even though > > the degree> > that qualifies her to practice mental health counseling is her > > master's in> > Psychology. The added doctoral degree, although in a somewhat > > related field,> > doesn't increase her scope of practice. Spiritual counseling > > doesn't do much in> > the treatment of bipolar disorder or schizophrenia. Some of our co- > > workers roll> > their eyes when she introduces herself as "Dr."> >> > I fear that it might be the same for us in some settings. An NP > > with a DNP> > degree will not have better suturing skills than you. Where I work, > > an NP can> > suture superficial wounds (not several layers) that are not on the > > face, hands,> > or genital areas. I suspect that in the future, the DNP prepared nurse> > practitioners who will come along after us will not be permitted to > > have the> > same suturing privileges as our physicians, who can suture facial > > wounds,> > lacerations of the hands, and (occasionally) genitals.> >> > I do believe that the MSN degree will become a thing of the past, > > because so> > many people are pushing for the DNP as the entry level for NP > > practice. Those of> > us who are masters prepared may be seen as "lowly" among nurse > > practitioners> > someday, but to the public and others it won't much matter. Just > > think of> > bedside RN skills. Do you care if your nurse has a diploma, a two- > > year degree,> > or a BSN when you are in the hospital? I just want a nurse who can > > provide good> > care.> >> > Best Regards,> >> > Shelby Havens, ARNP, MSN> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On > > Behalf Of> > Lisa Meyer> > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:34 AM> > To: NP Info> > Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Call me "Dr. Nurse"> >> > Bethany and list--> >> > You are not alone! I totally agree that we are already being made > > to look> > like idiots over this. I have no desire in my role to devise > > elaborate> > programs/projects, or to get involved just too much with the > > "health care> > system". I WANT, and my rural community needs, me to suture wounds > > and> > treat the sick. More theory, leadership, and health care systems > > won't help> > me to do this, and the public (who was just starting to catch on) > > will have> > no bloody idea that I am capable of doing that. Even if us lowly > > master's> > prepared people are "grandfathered in", is the public, after reading> > articles like the one below, going to be suspicious of a clinician > > who is> > not a physician, who is not a doctor-nurse suturing their wounds? > > Talk> > about making the whole damn thing complicated. And I know I will > > get flames> > on this list from those who have already forked over the $25,000 > > for their> > DNP, but I will work down at the local greenhouse watering the > > plants before> > I will travel the 6 hours by car to the nearest DNP program.> >> > Lisa> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Bethany Hartrum" <hartrumb at charter.net>> > To: "'NP Info'" <npinfo at nurse.net>> > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:08 PM> > Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Call me "Dr. Nurse"> >> >> >> Who are we kidding??? This is so typical of nursing to introduce > >> another> >> title and level of nursing that will not benefit the majority of > >> us in> >> primary care, working in rural health care. This degree may be> >> appropriate for large university type settings for faculty of nurse> >> practitioner programs, or large tertiary care settings for clinical> >> ladders. But to confuse the public and collaborating health care > >> partners> >> with the title "Doctor", defeats the movement for us to be viewed > >> as a> >> "health care provider" We should stick to the title "NP" just like> >> physicians use "MD" or "DO". Or maybe NP-D. But call ourselves > >> NP's. I> >> predict that this degree will not put out any higher salaries that > >> are> >> comparable to the physicians we work for and with. Will it change the> >> reimbursement? Unless you are independent and have your own > >> business, the> >> degree will not make one difference in the community I live in. The> >> curriculum's that I have reviewed, look like a dressed up master's> >> curricu!> >> lum. And who is going to teach in these program's? If you want to > >> be a> >> Doctor of health care, go to med school. I strongly oppose the title> >> "Doctor Nurse". That is ridiculous and will make us look like fools.> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] > >> On Behalf> >> Of David Mittman> >> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:12 PM> >> To: NPinfo> >> Subject: [NPInfo] Call me "Dr. Nurse"> >>> >>> >> A doctor and a nurse, all in one package> >>> >> By CHEN MAY YEE, Star Tribune> >> April 26, 2008> >>> >> Anne Boisclair-Fahey is used to patients doing a double take when she> >> introduces herself.> >>> >> She begins by carefully explaining she's a nurse practitioner, then> >> adds "You can call me Dr. Anne."> >>> >> Get ready to meet a new kind of hybrid at your local clinic: the> >> doctor nurse. They sport name tags with the letters DNP for doctorate> >> of nursing practice.> >>> >> Seen as one answer to the looming shortage in physicians, doctor> >> nurses take the nurse practitioner concept to yet another level.> >> Doctor nurses are trained in finance, health policy and systems know-> >> how in addition to core clinical expertise. They can do a lot of what> >> many doctors no longer have time to do in an increasingly complex> >> health care environment.> >>> >> While doctor nurses are still a rare breed nationally, that's about> >> to change dramatically. The first class of 24 doctor nurses graduated> >> in December from the University of Minnesota's School of Nursing, one> >> of a handful of schools at the forefront of this trend. All have> >> returned to their jobs or new positions, some with expanded roles and> >> pay.> >>> >> Now more than 90 nursing schools have introduced DNP programs and 200> >> more are about to start. Beginning next year, the University of> >> Minnesota is converting its entire master's of nursing practice> >> program into a doctoral course, meaning any nurse practitioner who> >> passes board exams will be a doctor nurse.> >>> >> "They are designed to work in collaboration with physicians," said> >> Connie Delaney, dean of the School of Nursing, "so that very> >> expensive physicians and specialists can spend their time on other> >> things."> >>> >> But some physician groups worry that the increasingly fuzzy> >> demarcation between doctors and nurses may be confusing for patients> >> at best, and unsafe at worst.> >>> >> A looming void> >>> >> Experts are forecasting a shortage of physicians in the country by> >> 2020 because the population has grown even as enrollments in medical> >> schools have remained flat.> >>> >> What's more, 36 percent of active physicians are older than 55 and> >> most will retire by 2020, said Edward Salsberg, director of workforce> >> studies for the Association of American Medical Colleges. A new> >> generation of physicians is less willing to work the long hours> >> usually associated with the profession.> >>> >> The shortage is already showing up in primary care, which includes> >> family medicine, pediatrics and internal medicine. This year, U.S.> >> medical graduates filled just 1,156 of 2,387 residency positions> >> nationally in family medicine; the rest were filled by foreign> >> medical graduates. Primary care doctors are paid far less than> >> specialists.> >>> >> Against this backdrop, nurse practitioners are "a phenomenal> >> alternative," Delaney said.> >>> >> There is a parallel movement in dentistry. Dentists are in short> >> supply in rural areas of Minnesota, and there is a proposal moving> >> through the Legislature to allow dental hygienists to drill and> >> extract teeth, and prescribe medication without a dentist on site.> >> The Minnesota Dental Association opposes the proposal, saying it> >> jeopardizes safety.> >>> >> Some doctors object> >>> >> For years, physicians have resisted the notion of a doctor nurse.> >>> >> The American Academy of Family Physicians, for example, wants it made> >> clear to patients that nurses with an advanced degree are not the> >> same as doctors who have been to medical school.> >>> >> "With four years of medical school and three years of residency> >> training, physicians' understanding of complex medical issues and> >> clinical expertise is unequalled," said the academy's president,> >> James King.> >>> >> Macaran Baird, head of the Department of Family Medicine and> >> Community Health at the University of Minnesota, says he's not> >> worried about that. He points out that turf battles are not uncommon> >> in the hierarchical world of health care.> >>> >> However, he noted, there's no guarantee that doctor nurses will go> >> into primary care unless the gap between payments in primary care and> >> specialty care narrows.> >>> >> Otherwise, he said, "we have the same risk of them going where the> >> money is."> >>> >> Projects show potential> >>> >> For some nurses, the new title is a validation of what they've been> >> doing for years.> >>> >> Registered nurses, or RNs, are those with a bachelor's degree in> >> nursing. Nurse practitioners have a master's in nursing practice and> >> can see patients and prescribe drugs, just like doctors.> >>> >> According to Delaney, there is already an 80 percent overlap between> >> what nurse practitioners do and what primary care physicians do. The> >> remaining 20 percent includes minor surgeries such as appendectomies> >> or vasectomies. Nurse practitioners may also specialize in fields> >> such as family practice, psychiatry, pediatrics, gerontology or> >> midwifery.> >>> >> Doctor nurses extend that nurse practitioner role even further with> >> training positioning them for leadership roles in health> >> organizations or teaching.> >>> >> The three-semester program costs $14,500 for Minnesota residents and> >> $23,500 for nonresidents. Most of the work is Web-based, with> >> students coming to campus for several intensive weekends of work. So> >> many nurse practitioners in the first class were able to add the> >> doctor nurse credential while continuing to work part time.> >>> >> Their student projects showed the scope and promise of combining a> >> nurse practitioner's clinical skills with a doctor nurse's new> >> awareness of health care systems. One student developed and> >> implemented a standard screening for asthma patients during clinic> >> visits, to ensure proper follow-up care. Another devised a plan to> >> institute regular bathroom breaks at school for kids who wet their> >> pants because of medical problems.> >>> >> Karalee LaBreche, a psychiatric nurse practitioner for Ramsey County> >> who was in the first class of doctor nurses, looked for ways to get> >> emergency medication to those who needed it, including going to their> >> homes. As a result, fewer patients showed up at the emergency room, a> >> very expensive option.> >>> >> The project won her an award from the International Society of> >> Psychiatric-Mental Health Nurses.> >>> >> More pay, promotions> >>> >> For some, the new doctor of nursing practice degree has opened doors.> >>> >> Six graduates have since been offered new positions or promotions,> >> and a few have gotten modest salary increases, said Sandra Edwardson,> >> director of the U's DNP program.> >>> >> For Nicole Lynch, a psychiatric nurse practitioner at Abbott> >> Northwestern Hospital in Minneapolis, the added training as a doctor> >> nurse brought expansion of her role beyond outpatient care to> >> inpatient care, too. For Boisclair-Fahey, who specializes in> >> pediatric urology, it meant a 3 percent raise and an invitation to> >> sit on a major board.> >>> >> The proliferation of titles has caused some confusion.> >>> >> Lynch explained her title to a child patient, who quickly twisted it> >> around to "Nurse Doctor Lynch."> >>> >> Most of the time though, she said, they just stick to "Miss Nicole."> >>> >> Chen May Yee . > >>> >> C 2008 Star Tribune. 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