[NPInfo] Iron Deficiency Anemia

Wed Aug 20 19:08:44 PDT 2008

Conrad
It sounds interesting. I don't know Daniel personally, nor do I know this
course. It sounds like a number of similar surveys of homeopathy that give
providers the background to confidently treat milder maladies with an array
of common homeopathic remedies. The nice thing about this sort of course (I
took a similar one from the New England School in 1993) is that it gets you
into the theory behind homeopathy, while also giving one a set of "tools" to
use for the sorts of things that patients often want something for, but for
which prescription drugs are often inappropriate. Viral infections, sore
throats, allergies, beestings, mild poison ivy, sprains and strains, and
such are often covered in these courses. At the Beverly Hilton? It'll
probably be expensive, so she might want to shop around. But Boiron is a
good outfit, and if it's reasonable and she's interested, I bet she'd have
fun.

As for Alz dz, there's not a whole lot of experience with treating that.
Most people don't think of homeopathy, let alone think of it for something
as serious as that. There's no trial data, so any such case is a labor of
treatment and careful observation...all in the midst of other things, such
as concomitant treatment with regular drugs, etc. So it's hard to say what's
having an effect. That said, I have treated a couple of cases of dementia of
various types and have noted marked cognitive improvements, but I have never
had enough follow up with those very few patients to know what the long term
outcome was.  The longer the existing problem, the poorer the response; the
shorter the symptomatic period, the more robust the response.

Peace
Eric

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Thanks Robert. I have a PA friend of mine who is also a Homeopath. I know he
would understand your explanation better then I. Not to say you did not
explain it well but it is a different language for me, and right now I do
not have the time. 
I do have a question, another NP friend of mine who works in Alz dementia
care she is thinking about attending a class. See below. Have you heard of
it? She works mainly with demented patients and I asked her how she thinks
Homeopathy would help with Alz.  Dementia. Do Homeopath address this
disease?
Thanks. 
Conrad

My name is Daniel Dereser, Pharmacist for Boiron, world leader in
Homeopathy.

I would like to take the opportunity to discuss with you about the Clinical
Homeopathic Training Course for NP in Los Angeles.

The CEDH - Continuing Education for the Development of Homeopathy has
developed a course that offers practitioners 104 CMEs by the AAFP when they
complete the course work of 136 hours. The course is held in Los Angeles at
the Beverly Hilton Hotel from November to June, annually.

This course is designed for physicians who would like to expand their daily
practice and need answers to questions that often come up in today's medical
practice.

The CEDH - Continuing Education and Development of Homeopathy has 30 years
experience and is educating over 3,000 physicians in 20 countries annually.

Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email: conrad.rios at ucdmc.ucdavis.edu
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu

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Ok, I'll give this a go...
I am a homeopath, and we look at disease not as "How do lump this patient
into a diagnostic category?" rather as "What is unique about this 
patient?"
We see symptoms--even specific diseases--not as just categorical problems,
but as maifestations of the essential "imbalance" of a system that keeps
everything working together.

When taking a case, we work with symptom rubrics, under which are listed
various homeopathic remedies associated with that symptom. The symptom
GENERALS - ANEMIA, lists 183 remedies known to be associated with anemic
patients. The symptom GENERALS - FOOD and DRINKS - ice - desire, lists 16
remedies. I noticed from Kimberly's references that not all anemic 
patients
crave ice, thus we'll consider the intersection of those 2 sets, which
includes only 9 remedies. (Many anemic patients DON'T crave ice, etc.)

Calcarea carbonica: deficient in the metabolism of structure, they often
crave foods or ingestants with "structure" such as starches, indigestible
mineral substances (as in ordinary pica), cheese/dairy, etc. Calc carb
patients often suffer from hemorrhagic problems, and uterine fibroids in
women are an especially common complaint that might prompt a selection of
this remedy.

Phosphorus: imbalances related to fluid dynamics, these patients are often
"open"--having boundary issues--and are often anxious. Fluid discharges
(such as loose stools, nosebleeds, metrorrhagia, etc.) are a key feature 
of
Phos pts.

Veratrum album (white hellebore): again, fluid dynamics, but with a mental
picture that is more hyperactive than anxious. These people often "go from
both ends" in gastroenteritis, and hellebore poisoning is associated with 
a
dysenteric type of diarrhea with nausea/vomiting (much of what informs
homeopathy is based on toxicology, since the treatment principle is "like
cures like"). 

Mercurius corrosivus (mercuric chloride): mucus membranes that "burn like
fire", it is a remedy that is often helpful in ulcerative colitis, Crohn's
disease, and other ulcerative conditions. 

These are just a sample of 4 remedies, but one can see how this view of
disease and the symptoms (such as chewing ice) they manifest may make more
sense. So is there a physiological cause across the board? Maybe. Maybe 
not.
Maybe the cause arises from a behavioral drive (as in Calc carb), an
amelioration of a pain (ice soothing "hot" membranes--as in the glossitis
example in one of Kimberly's references), cooling/fluid replacement (as in
Phos. Or Veratrum), and so on--or maybe we don't know in certain specific
cases. But it provides a fascinating alternate way to view patient
complaints.

Eric

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-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf
Of Kimberly Coleman
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 4:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Iron Deficiency Anemia

Thanks Priscilla.  I had also googled it and really couldn't come up with 
a
conclusive "why".  I appreciate the links.
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  From: Priscilla Merrill
  To: 'NP Info' 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:28 AM
  Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Iron Deficiency Anemia

  You got my curiosity up so I googled it and here are some links. 
  Made me wonder if Vanilla Ice was anemic since he's so darn pale!
  Bottom line, no one knows, just theories.  I thoguth it might be the 
iron
in
  the pipes but then water shoud also be a craving.  The best answer I saw
was
  that it has oxygen in it from the freezing process.  Here are some 
ideas.

  http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chewing-ice/AN01278

  http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2004/11/i-eat-lot-of-ice.html

  http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060616173903AAE8Jhc

  Priscilla Merrill FNP

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  Of Kimberly Coleman
  Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:56 PM
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  I was curious if anyone could tell me WHY? patients with iron deficiency
  anemia crave ice.  I know it's a form of PICA and can only find general
  information.  A pt. with low H&H (10, 30), low B12 (207), low ferritin
(7),
  norm. TSH.  The MD didn't want to do a TIBC (it wasn't needed right 
now).
  There is no hx. of abn. bleeding, had TAH >10yrs. C/O "eating a lot of
ice",
  extreme fatigue/weakness and "a lot of joint pain and feels like muscles
are
  drawing and stumbling".  Going to be scheduling upper/lower scopes.  Any
  suggestions on the joint pain and stumbling, and what does ice have to 
do
  with it?  As I said, I have heard of it, know it exists, but don't know
  exactly why.  Thanks.  KC
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