[NPInfo] collaboration question

Fri Jan 4 06:20:51 PST 2008

We got off track on my original question. Do we have specific literature explaining the liability of a Doc who is collaborating with an NP?

Joseph Reis

> From: dmittman at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] collaboration question
> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 22:47:15 -0500
> To: npinfo at nurse.net
> 
> Because they supply a need. The need I still see most is that  
> patients want someone who will take some time, listen and actually  
> care about them. That has not changed in 30 years and is what we do  
> (did) so well. That's why we succeeded.
> Dave
> 
> On Jan 3, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Shelby Havens wrote:
> 
> >
> > Dave:
> >
> > I dunno. If patients want someone to spend more time with them, why  
> > are Minute Clinics popping up on every street corner across the  
> > country?
> >
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Shelby
> >> From: dmittman at advancedprac.com> Subject: Re: [NPInfo]  
> >> collaboration question> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 21:47:39 -0500> To:  
> >> npinfo at nurse.net> > Shelby and Priscilla:> I am back!> Have some  
> >> stuff going on so I am grateful for all of my ACC/NP/PA >  
> >> friends.> OK, the docs are covering their asses when they say they  
> >> are there > for the NP. Why not? They truly think that's what  
> >> patients want to > hear and you know what......maybe they do? That  
> >> is until they meet > us. Then they know! Have studies ever been  
> >> done? Is their a trust > difference between those of us that work  
> >> with a doc and those that do > not when the patient is first  
> >> exposed to us?? Do we really know?> > About Priscillas "good guy  
> >> stuff, agree and disagree. I think that > anything that says we  
> >> are different is OK. I might not do it, you > might not do it, but  
> >> again, do we know if it works? I personally > would not go that  
> >> route.> Touchy feely is what chiropractors have used to build an  
> >> entire > profession. That's a bit simplistic but somewhat true.>  
> >> What I would do is just say, I WILL GIVE YOU A BIT MORE TIME. I  
> >> WILL > LISTEN AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WORRIES YOU. COME TALK TO  
> >> ME. Bet I > could not keep the people away.> My thoughts on this.>  
> >> Dave> > > On Jan 3, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Priscilla Merrill wrote:> >  
> >> > One word -- - weird. IT implies she's not fully competent on her  
> >> > > own. This> > was my initial response.> > Our local paper has  
> >> run newspaper ads with "midlevels" being > > photographed in> >  
> >> their home/neighborhood in street clothes with a cozy look and a >  
> >> > heading, "I> > met my primary care provider at my daughter's  
> >> soccer game" One was > > a male> > PA who collects vintage cars.  
> >> So the "guy to guy car camaraderie" > > perhaps?> >> > What does  
> >> that have to do with the price of rice? I think the > > marketing>  
> >> > idea is that your NP or PA (both have been featured in these  
> >> recent > > ads) is> > they're your friend, your kids' friend's  
> >> parent etc. NOTHING about > > their> > profession or abilities.  
> >> Perhaps, giving them the benefit of the > > doubt,> > they're  
> >> trying to market the approachability of NP's and PA's but > >  
> >> you'd> > NEVER see that about a doc ad. The subversive message I  
> >> thought > > was making> > us the common folk you can chat with.  
> >> Kind of a twisted message on > > our> > personal approach but  
> >> demeaning in my opinion.> >> > Priscilla Merrill> >> > ----- 
> >> Original Message-----> > From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net  
> >> [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On > > Behalf> > Of Shelby  
> >> Havens> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:28 PM> > To: NP Info>  
> >> > Subject: RE: [NPInfo] collaboration question> >> >> >> > I just  
> >> got home from a visit to my primary care physician. On the > > way  
> >> out of> > her office, I noticed a flyer on the wall announcing the  
> >> hiring of > > a nurse> > practitioner. There was a nice photograph  
> >> of the NP in her lab > > coat, and a> > brief bio listing her  
> >> education, experience, and board cerfication. > > At the> > bottom  
> >> of the announcement, the following statement was posted:> >> >  
> >> "Our physicians will be available to assist with the nurse > >  
> >> practitioner's> > clinical decision process if needed".> >> > What  
> >> do yall think about that?> >> >> > Best Regards,> >> > Shelby  
> >> Havens, ARNP> >> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:21:28 -0800> From:  
> >> bimbelaa at yahoo.com> > >> Subject:> > Re: [NPInfo] collaboration  
> >> question> To: npinfo at nurse.net> > More > > direct> > link to on- 
> >> line articles:> > http://www.buppert.com/articles.html> > > >  
> >> Joseph> > Reis <mastrlock at hotmail.com> wrote:> > I have been  
> >> wondering if we > > have put> > together any information regarding  
> >> the liability that collaborating> > physicians undertake when  
> >> entering a collaborative agreement with > > NPs.> > I> >  
> >> frequently hear physicians concerns about their liability if an NP  
> >> > > makes a> > medication error or some such thing. Have any of  
> >> our legal experts > > written> > anything definitive regarding  
> >> this? Maybe an article or paper that > > I could> > have handy to  
> >> show them when they misspeak regarding the legal > >  
> >> ramifications> > of entering a collaborative agreement? > > Joe>  
> >> >> >  
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