[NPInfo] DNP Credentials

[David Mittman]

Dave et al:
I am as a PA not as bothered about WHO gives a test as long as I  
BELIEVE IN THE TEST and the people who developed it are credible. I  
AM bothered by some group telling my NP colleagues they are going to  
break general nursing tradition and supplant the already existing  
tests which measure general NP practice well.
Think your point about lose/lose is correct.
Also someone correct me if I am mistaken but I am pretty sure the  
NBME gave the NAPNAP tests to PNPs for years. So they do have an  
established history in testing NPs????
Dave

On Jun 10, 2008, at 11:44 PM, David Carpenter wrote:

> Actually the real question should be, is a test designed to measure
> primarily inpatient management after a physicians first year the  
> best test
> to measure NP practice which is primarily outpatient (according to  
> the press
> release)? The other part is that they are only administering half  
> of the
> test. There is a practical escalating question portion of the test  
> that they
> chose not to do. Its really a lose lose proposition. If the NPs do  
> well then
> its because they only took what is considered the easiest of the  
> step tests
> by the med students and residents. If they do poorly its because  
> they don't
> have the knowledge of the physician (even though the test is not  
> targeted at
> the areas that Mundinger claims are the domain of DNPs).
>
> As far as MDs administering the test, that isn't really true. The  
> National
> board of medical examiners along with the State boards of medical  
> examiners
> sponsor the step tests.The NBME is also in the business of  
> developing and
> administering tests related to medical practice. They are  
> considered one of
> the pre-eminent research groups regarding test taking and consult  
> with a
> number of non physician groups including veterinarians, medical  
> assistants
> and Public health. For a fee they are happy to work with any group  
> that
> wished to develop certification standards. Their board is largely  
> physician
> oriented as is their mission but as with any independent agency you  
> will
> find a number of non physicians and lay members.
>
> David Carpenter, PA-C
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Rose Moran-Kelly  
> <rosemorankelly at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> But Meg...  Do you think we should take a test that the MDs  
>> administer??
>> Rose
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Meg <enigma462003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is only my opinion but I believe we are witnessing history  
>>> in the
>>> making (literally) with the launching of the DNP programs...this  
>>> is one
>> of
>>> the biggest events to encompass nursing and its move forward in a
>> century.
>>> This is a step our profession must take, with or without backing of
>> everyone
>>> involved, including Advanced Practice...many will be able to be
>>> "grandfathered" under present law...many will go on to become  
>>> prepared at
>>> the doctorate level...this is how a profession evolves. With  
>>> primary care
>> in
>>> dire need of professionals to care for the aging population and  
>>> increased
>>> need for primary care in this country this is the perfect  
>>> opportunity for
>>> nurses to actually move into this role since more and more  
>>> physicians
>> will
>>> be in the "specialist" role in the future. We need to take this
>>> opportunity. Meg Helgert FNP
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