[NPInfo] DNP

[Dena]

And that is the reason the NP programs are being expanded to 4 years in the
future-- they can't fit everything into the old 2 year programs any more--
there's just way too much to learn. And since the programs are being
expanded in length, there will be way more credits than required for a MSN,
so they've made it a doctoral program. So, in the 4 year DNP programs you'll
still have all the theory, policy, health care economics, EBP, etc and you
will have room for much more clinical time, including, hopefully, a year of
clinical residency. That's the dream, at least. We'll see if it actually
happens or if the schools will screw it all up!
Dena Galler


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Of margienp at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [NPInfo] DNP

Hello,
I graduated more than 20 years ago with my MSN, My program was 4 semester
and we were very heavy on clinical hours. I hire, NP's and I have noticed
that , grads in the last 10 years do not seem to have as many hours. 
I have tryed to speak with the Director of our local MSN program but they do
not want to talk to anyone, unless you are in education! Da , I hired their
grads. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa Meyer <meyerlm at chartermi.net>
To: NP Info <npinfo at nurse.net>
Sent: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 7:41 pm
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] DNP


Okay,?
I understand Dena. BUT... My MSN program was very heavy in theory, research,
policy, and leadership. VERY light on clinical content. From what I have
found talking to colleagues is that my program was not atypical. I have been
out in practice as an NP for 7 years... I am having a really hard time
getting fired up to take more theory, leadership, policy, and research. Why
should I be? I do not think these things will enhance my practice, and they
are not the things I especially enjoy studying. As for more clinical content
at this point--I would gladly attend a program that had it. Perhaps I am
unusual, but I don't think that any number of years in practice could make
me an expert in all that I see (emergency dept. and mental health). There is
just so much to know. A couple of conferences a year doesn't begin to touch
it. And at least for me, it is the stuff I love learning about. I can't
stand the thought of 12 months solid of the stuff I disliked the first time
around! And h!
 ow many theory classes exactly does one need to practice as an NP? Of just
my MSN program, I had 3 separate, semester-long courses in nursing theory.
How do I manage to practice???
?
Lisa?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dena" <galdena at sbcglobal.net>?
To: <danabhigbee at cox.net>; "'NP Info'" <npinfo at nurse.net>?
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:26 PM?
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] DNP?
?
> Dana-?
> I'm kind of betting that "every DNP program" that you've investigated so >
far?
> is a two year bridging program for those who are already MSN prepared NPs?
> and THAT is why there is little to no clinical courses included in the?
> curriculum-- we already had the clinical stuff in our MSN programs. When >
the?
> 4 year BSN-to-DNP NP programs start, THAT'S when you'll see the clinical?
> courses. You don't mention how long you've been a NP, but do you not feel?
> you already have the clinical knowledge to care for your patients? I've >
been?
> in practice for almost 15 yrs... I know how to do a complete PE, take an?
> extensive history, manage chronic and acute illnesses, suture wounds and?
> perform other minor office procedures, educate my patients, and, best
yet,?
> know my limitations, scope of practice, and when to collaborate with a?
> physician or refer out to specialists. I can't see at this late date what?
> doing clinical rotations in a DNP program was going to teach me. If you >
need?
> the extra clinical contents, just wait a couple of years until the 4 year?
> DNP programs start exploding all over the place and then you can have the?
> option of starting your NP education all over again. YUCK! <G>?
> And "one course on evidence-based-practice)?? Gosh, the majority of our?
> program was built around that-- not just one class!?
> Dena Galler?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On
Behalf?
> Of Dana Higbee?
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:35 PM?
> To: npinfo at nurse.net?
> Subject: [NPInfo] DNP?
>?
> Regarding the DNP becoming entry level for all NPs: I have mixed?
> feelings about this. My main beef: The DNP is supposed to be a?
> "practice doctorate", i.e. it should make us better practitioners.?
> Every DNP program I've investigated has majored on theory, management?
> and leadership, health systems, and research. (On a positive note,?
> most do include a course on evidence-based-practice). I don't want to?
> be a clinic owner, or a health policy maker, or an administrator. I?
> want course content that will help me take better care of the patients?
> I see every day. Otherwise, I just don't see the point of the DNP?
> for me personally, unless my MSN eventually proves to be a barrier to?
> practice. At age 52, I'm hoping the "eventual" will be a long time?
> from now. 'Say at least 25 years.?
>?
> Dana Higbee?
> FNP?
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