[NPInfo] DNP

[Gjere, Niki]

My understanding about the DNP is that it "replaces" the masters degree,
similar to how the pharmacists now have a PharmD as their degree.
However, for Nurses, it has been identified that the DNP will replace
the masters degree, though you have to specialize in a specific area.
Meaning, you may have a DNP and be clinically prepared for NP, CNS,
CRNA, or Midwife practice. You can also have a DNP for administration,
education, etc... The DNP is not in itself a statement of having a
clinical degree. It is the certification in your specialty, etc. that
states that.


Niki
 
Niki A. Gjere, MA, MS, RN, PMHCNS-BC
Psychiatric Clinical Nurse Specialist
Adult & Senior Behavioral Services
University of Minnesota Medical Center, Fairview
2450 Riverside Avenue
Minneapolis, MN   55454 
email: ngjere1 at fairview.org 
Phone: 612-273-6439
Pager: 612-527-7437
FAX: 612-273-6155
 

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On
Behalf Of Thiem
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 6:37 AM
To: NP Info
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] DNP

Really?  Then what's all of the commotion about clinical hours?

And if this is "the" terminal degree-what's to become of the PhD
prepared nurses? Will they need to attain a DNP to practice?

Laura

"Gjere, Niki" <NGJERE1 at fairview.org> wrote: And any administrator,
educator, etc.  There is a misconception that if you have a DNP it is a
clinical degree. It is not.


Niki
 
Niki A. Gjere, MA, MS, RN, PMHCNS-BC
Psychiatric Clinical Nurse Specialist
Adult & Senior Behavioral Services
University of Minnesota Medical Center, Fairview 2450 Riverside Avenue
Minneapolis, MN   55454 
email: ngjere1 at fairview.org
Phone: 612-273-6439
Pager: 612-527-7437
FAX: 612-273-6155
 

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On
Behalf Of Joanne DaCunha
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 6:19 AM
To: NP Info
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] DNP

The DNP is NOT just a degree for an NP. It's the terminal clinical
degree for CNS. CRNA, CNM, and NP. Any advanced practice nurse.  

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On
Behalf Of David Mittman
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:25 PM
To: NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] DNP

Dena: As you know I am not an NP so sometimes I do not understand the
nuances.
As non-NPs are 2/3, 1/2, all, some, of the current  DNP candidates, will
they then in the four year programs also become NPs when they graduate?
If all CNSs, midwives, etc are eligible will they transition to the NP
terminal clinical degree?
If you tell me that when they go to the DNP as a four year post-grad
program, all will become NPs, then this IS an NP degree. If so, why have
so many non-NPs becoming non-NP DNPs now? Why have half of the DNPs not
be NPs if it is the terminal NP degree and will as you say have NP
rotations in peeds, IM, derm, cardiology, etc?
If one is going to have really advanced clinical rotations they can not
be so general that they will appeal to midwives and RNFAs. If one is to
have significantly elevated training one must have a very finite,
vertical goal in mind. Hope you understand my question.
Anyway, I sound confused because I am...........................
Thanks,
Dave
On Jun 18, 2008, at 8:25 PM, Dena wrote:

> And that is the reason the NP programs are being expanded to 4 years 
> in the
> future-- they can't fit everything into the old 2 year programs any
> more--
> there's just way too much to learn. And since the programs are being 
> expanded in length, there will be way more credits than required for a

> MSN, so they've made it a doctoral program. So, in the 4 year DNP 
> programs you'll still have all the theory, policy, health care 
> economics, EBP, etc and you will have room for much more clinical 
> time, including, hopefully, a year of clinical residency. That's the 
> dream, at least. We'll see if it actually happens or if the schools 
> will screw it all up!
> Dena Galler
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On 
> Behalf Of margienp at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:10 PM
> To: npinfo at nurse.net
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] DNP
>
> Hello,
> I graduated more than 20 years ago with my MSN, My program was 4 
> semester and we were very heavy on clinical hours. I hire, NP's and I 
> have noticed that , grads in the last 10 years do not seem to have as 
> many hours.
> I have tryed to speak with the Director of our local MSN program but 
> they do not want to talk to anyone, unless you are in education! Da , 
> I hired their grads.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lisa Meyer 
> To: NP Info 
> Sent: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 7:41 pm
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] DNP
>
>
> Okay,?
> I understand Dena. BUT... My MSN program was very heavy in theory, 
> research, policy, and leadership. VERY light on clinical content. From

> what I have found talking to colleagues is that my program was not 
> atypical. I have been out in practice as an NP for 7 years... I am 
> having a really hard time getting fired up to take more theory, 
> leadership, policy, and research. Why should I be? I do not think 
> these things will enhance my practice, and they are not the things I 
> especially enjoy studying. As for more clinical content at this 
> point--I would gladly attend a program that had it. Perhaps I am 
> unusual, but I don't think that any number of years in practice could 
> make me an expert in all that I see (emergency dept. and mental 
> health).
> There is
> just so much to know. A couple of conferences a year doesn't begin to 
> touch it. And at least for me, it is the stuff I love learning about.
> I can't stand the thought of 12 months solid of the stuff I disliked 
> the first time around! And h!
>  ow many theory classes exactly does one need to practice as an NP?  
> Of just
> my MSN program, I had 3 separate, semester-long courses in nursing 
> theory.
> How do I manage to practice???
> ?
> Lisa?
> ?
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dena" ?
> To: ; "'NP Info'" ?
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:26 PM?
> Subject: RE: [NPInfo] DNP?
> ?
>> Dana-?
>> I'm kind of betting that "every DNP program" that you've investigated

>> so >
> far?
>> is a two year bridging program for those who are already MSN prepared

>> NPs?
>> and THAT is why there is little to no clinical courses included in 
>> the?
>> curriculum-- we already had the clinical stuff in our MSN programs. 
>> When >
> the?
>> 4 year BSN-to-DNP NP programs start, THAT'S when you'll see the 
>> clinical?
>> courses. You don't mention how long you've been a NP, but do you not 
>> feel?
>> you already have the clinical knowledge to care for your patients?  
>> I've >
> been?
>> in practice for almost 15 yrs... I know how to do a complete PE, take

>> an?
>> extensive history, manage chronic and acute illnesses, suture wounds 
>> and?
>> perform other minor office procedures, educate my patients, and, best
> yet,?
>> know my limitations, scope of practice, and when to collaborate with 
>> a?
>> physician or refer out to specialists. I can't see at this late date 
>> what?
>> doing clinical rotations in a DNP program was going to teach me.  
>> If you >
> need?
>> the extra clinical contents, just wait a couple of years until the
>> 4 year?
>> DNP programs start exploding all over the place and then you can have

>> the?
>> option of starting your NP education all over again. YUCK! ?
>> And "one course on evidence-based-practice)?? Gosh, the majority of 
>> our?
>> program was built around that-- not just one class!?
>> Dena Galler?
>> ?
>> -----Original Message-----?
>> From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On
> Behalf?
>> Of Dana Higbee?
>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:35 PM?
>> To: npinfo at nurse.net?
>> Subject: [NPInfo] DNP?
>> ?
>> Regarding the DNP becoming entry level for all NPs: I have mixed?
>> feelings about this. My main beef: The DNP is supposed to be a?
>> "practice doctorate", i.e. it should make us better practitioners.?
>> Every DNP program I've investigated has majored on theory, 
>> management?
>> and leadership, health systems, and research. (On a positive note,?
>> most do include a course on evidence-based-practice). I don't want 
>> to?
>> be a clinic owner, or a health policy maker, or an administrator. I?
>> want course content that will help me take better care of the 
>> patients?
>> I see every day. Otherwise, I just don't see the point of the DNP?
>> for me personally, unless my MSN eventually proves to be a barrier 
>> to?
>> practice. At age 52, I'm hoping the "eventual" will be a long time?
>> from now. 'Say at least 25 years.?
>> ?
>> Dana Higbee?
>> FNP?
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