[NPInfo] Oregon Age of Majority
Tracy Klein
whcnp at comcast.net
Sat Jun 21 08:03:55 PDT 2008
There is a difference between the age at which a minor can seek
treatment and when they can decline treatment.
The minor in this case was 16 and allegedly refused treatment. The
law is not clear on refusal, since the law as written presumes that
the primary issue would be the ability of a minor to seek treatment
without parental consent. This has come up before as an issue when
teens choose
to refuse chemo, but the law was not revised in that case.
http://www.oregon.gov/BCSW/pdfs/Age_Of_Majority.pdf
The legislature has declared intent to look more deeply into
treatment refusal. It will be interesting to see if they are successful.
Tracy Klein, FNP
Portland, Oregon
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> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:12:04 -0400
> From: susanapr at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith healing fails
> To: npinfo at nurse.net
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> <<Some would say that faith healing is tantamount to no care at
> all.? Maybe they didn't have enough faith.>>>
>
> This boy needed "curing" as well perhaps, as spiritual healing.
> I am reminded of the story of a drowning man who refuses help from
> a passing sailboat, speedboat, yacht, etc.? all because "God will
> save me."? When he finally dies and gets to heaven, he asks God why
> didn't you save me.? And God replies,"What do you mean?? I sent you
> a speedboat, a sailboat, even a yacht for heaven's sake....."
> I know no more of the facts than what is written in the story, but
> my intuitive sense says this is a group of people who have issues
> interfacing with society at large, seclude themselves off in a
> alleged faith community and fail to ask responsibly when
> interfacing is required.
> If correct, I hope they throw the book at them.
>
> susan
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:28:32 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jeffrey Hazzard <jeffnp27 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith healing fails
> To: NP Info <npinfo at nurse.net>, ACC Listserv
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> Susan wrote:
> "...If correct, I hope they throw the book at them."
>
> Susan,
> Would that be the New Testament, Old Testament, or the Qoran?
>
> Natural selection is never a pretty thing to watch.
>
> Jeff - Tampa
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:58:24 -0400
> From: susanapr at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith healing fails
> To: jeffnp27 at yahoo.com, npinfo at nurse.net
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> ? Susan wrote:
> "...If correct, I hope they throw the book at them."
> ?
> ?? Susan,
> ????? Would that be the New Testament, Old Testament, or the Qoran?
> ????????????????
> ??????
>
> Ummm, Jeff, I am thinking the laws of the state were written to
> protect children from parents like this...
>
> s.
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> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:10:13 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "suernfnp at iwon.com" <suernfnp at iwon.com>
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith healing fails
> To: jeffnp27 at yahoo.com, npinfo at nurse.net
> Message-ID: <20080620211013.BA489397B at email.iwon.com>
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> When a mentally ill patient refuses urgent care, we get a psych
> eval, they are declared incompetent and go to court to have a
> guardian appointed. Same thing when parents make bad choices for
> their children; the child is placed in foster care and a guardian
> is appointed. This has happened most commonly when a parents of a
> child with cancer refuse accepted care to save his life. Isn't this
> law in effect in Oregon?
>
> Sue D in MI
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>
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> --- On Fri 06/20, Jeffrey Hazzard < jeffnp27 at yahoo.com > wrote:
> From: Jeffrey Hazzard [mailto: jeffnp27 at yahoo.com]
> To: npinfo at nurse.net, acc-circle at listserve.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:28:32 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith healing fails
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> <br> Susan wrote:<br>"...If correct, I hope they throw the book at
> them."<br> <br> Susan,<br> Would that be the New Testament,
> Old Testament, or the Qoran?<br> <br> Natural
> selection is never a pretty thing to watch.<br> <br>
> Jeff -
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> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:33:34 -0700
> From: "Deal, Mary" <MDeal at clark.edu>
> Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith healing fails
> To: <suernfnp at iwon.com>, "NP Info" <npinfo at nurse.net>
> Message-ID: <B52C1E7AE3795B499FF6DD3C957E762E0D93E846 at odin.clark.edu>
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> Oregon law allows a child over 14 to refuse medical care. It
> wouldn't surprise me if this law is soon might be revisited. There
> is a related case within this same community. This young man's 15
> month old cousin recently died of meningitis; her parents have been
> charged and are awaiting trial.
>
> Sad frustrating stuff.........
>
> Mary Deal
> Vancouver WA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On
> Behalf Of suernfnp at iwon.com
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:10 PM
> To: jeffnp27 at yahoo.com; npinfo at nurse.net
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith healing fails
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>
> When a mentally ill patient refuses urgent care, we get a psych
> eval, they are declared incompetent and go to court to have a
> guardian appointed. Same thing when parents make bad choices for
> their children; the child is placed in foster care and a guardian
> is appointed. This has happened most commonly when a parents of a
> child with cancer refuse accepted care to save his life. Isn't this
> law in effect in Oregon?
>
> Sue D in MI
>
>
>
>
> --- On Fri 06/20, Jeffrey Hazzard < jeffnp27 at yahoo.com > wrote:
> From: Jeffrey Hazzard [mailto: jeffnp27 at yahoo.com]
> To: npinfo at nurse.net, acc-circle at listserve.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:28:32 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith healing fails
>
> <br> Susan wrote:<br>"...If correct, I hope they throw the book at
> them."<br> <br> Susan,<br> Would that be the New Testament,
> Old Testament, or the Qoran?<br> <br> Natural
> selection is never a pretty thing to watch.<br> <br>
> Jeff -
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> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:20:03 +0000
> From: Sue Wiers <sgwiers at hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith healing fails
> To: NP Info <npinfo at nurse.net>
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> Wow, that is stunning. I cannot even imagine how a 14-year-old is
> fully capable of making all medical decisions on his or her behalf
> - I prefer they take an active part in their health care, but they
> don't always have the maturity and judgment to make all decisions
> in their own best interests. In answer to Dave's question: No. I
> am a firm believer of respecting the beliefs of others. However,
> minors should be protected by society until the are capable of
> making decisions for themselves. Sue
>
>> Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith healing fails> Date:
>> Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:33:34 -0700> From: MDeal at clark.edu> To:
>> suernfnp at iwon.com; npinfo at nurse.net> > Oregon law allows a child
>> over 14 to refuse medical care. It wouldn't surprise me if this
>> law is soon might be revisited. There is a related case within
>> this same community. This young man's 15 month old cousin recently
>> died of meningitis; her parents have been charged and are awaiting
>> trial.> > Sad frustrating stuff.........> > Mary Deal > Vancouver
>> WA> > -----Original Message-----> From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net
>> [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf Of suernfnp at iwon.com>
>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:10 PM> To: jeffnp27 at yahoo.com;
>> npinfo at nurse.net> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith
>> healing fails> > > When a mentally ill patient refuses urgent
>> care, we get a psych eval, they are declared incompetent and go to
>> court to have a guardian appointed. Same thing when parents make
>> bad choices for their !
> children; the child is placed in foster care and a guardian is
> appointed. This has happened most commonly when a parents of a
> child with cancer refuse accepted care to save his life. Isn't this
> law in effect in Oregon? > > Sue D in MI> > > > > --- On Fri 06/20,
> Jeffrey Hazzard < jeffnp27 at yahoo.com > wrote:> From: Jeffrey
> Hazzard [mailto: jeffnp27 at yahoo.com]> To: npinfo at nurse.net, acc-
> circle at listserve.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:28:32 -0700 (PDT)>
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith healing fails> > <br>
> Susan wrote:<br>"...If correct, I hope they throw the book at
> them."<br> <br> Susan,<br> Would that be the New Testament,
> Old Testament, or the Qoran?<br> <br> Natural
> selection is never a pretty thing to watch.<br> <br>
> Jeff -
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> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:38:45 -0500
> From: "David or Diane Dito" <dddito at charter.net>
> Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Cholesterol
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> Respectfully, however, I thought about the best one could do in
> lowering
> total cholesterol through diet alone was around 10%, which would
> still leave
> her high. What about exercise or adding in niacin during those 6
> months?
> Diane Dito
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On
> Behalf
> Of VENDESUE at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:32 AM
> To: npinfo at nurse.net
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Cholesterol
>
> Listers,
>
> Thanks for your input! Her HDL is terrific (which contributes to
> her high
> total cholesterol) but the concern is the LDL and the non-HDL (at
> 189). I
> have
> always considered a high HDL very protective, too (and it is)...
> until I
> have
> attended some CME classes that have stressed the importance of the
> non-HDL,
> even in the situation when the HDL is high. How are you using non-HDL?
>
> My plan was (is) to send her to a dietician and repeat the lipid
> panel in 6
> months (she is a pharmacist so is pretty aware of treatments). I will
> repeat
> her CBC in a month or so.
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> Susan
>
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> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:58:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jeffrey Hazzard <jeffnp27 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith healing fails
> To: susanapr at aol.com, npinfo npinfo <npinfo at nurse.net>
> Message-ID: <376067.42422.qm at web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Susan,
> Uh, that was a joke.
> Jeff
>
> --- On Fri, 6/20/08, susanapr at aol.com <susanapr at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: susanapr at aol.com <susanapr at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith healing fails
> To: jeffnp27 at yahoo.com, npinfo at nurse.net
> Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 3:58 PM
>
>
>
>
>
> Susan wrote:
>
> "...If correct, I hope they throw the book at them."
>
>
>
> Susan,
>
> Would that be the New Testament, Old Testament, or the Qoran?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ummm, Jeff, I am thinking the laws of the state were written to
> protect children from parents like this...
>
>
>
> s.
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:52:13 -0400
> From: susanapr at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Teen dies after faith healing fails
> To: npinfo at nurse.net
> Message-ID: <8CAA1502D502357-10B0-E49 at mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> Good !? I am glad.
> Clueless evidently, but glad :-)
> Never can tell around here when it even remotely has to do with
> religion.
> s.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:30:21 -0500
> From: "Lisa Meyer" <meyerlm at chartermi.net>
> Subject: [NPInfo] Re: [ACC-Circle] colonoscopy
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> Yes, they don't taste good (especially the 2nd one) but, this is by
> far my
> "favorite" prep. For me, there is way less cramping and the
> smaller volume
> of fluid to drink is much more comfortable than GoLytely.
> Unfortunately, my
> gastroenterologist cannot be persuaded...
>
> Lisa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <acc-circle at listserve.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [ACC-Circle] colonoscopy
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>> WELCOME TO THE ACC-CIRCLE DISCUSSION LIST!
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>> With mine recently, I had to be on clear fluids for 48 hours with
>> no red
>> or
>> orange jello. I had to buy 2 of the little bottles of fleets
>> phosphasoda,
>> I
>> think they were 4 oz each, and drink one at 4pm and 7pm the night
>> before
>> the
>> colonoscopy. They taste vile, even mixed in apple juice.
>>
>> Gail Neuman RNC CPHW
>> student midwife and student nurse practitioner
>> certified high risk OB/OB legal consultant
>> Perinatal Nurse Associates
>> 801 N. Tustin Ave., Suite 305
>> Santa Ana, CA 92705
>> (714) 314-7070
>> (714) 838-1479 fax
>>
>> "God doesn't require us to succeed; he only requires that you try."
>> --_Mother Teresa_
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>> bio.html)
>>
>>
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> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:47:14 EDT
> From: Margienp at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Re: [ACC-Circle] colonoscopy
> To: npinfo at nurse.net
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> I tried to drink all of the phoso liquid. I stopped at 4 in the am.
> The
> center told me when everything is coming out clear you do not need
> to drink any
> more! My husband did the pills, they made him very sick.
> In a message dated 6/21/2008 10:31:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> meyerlm at chartermi.net writes:
>
> Yes, they don't taste good (especially the 2nd one) but, this is
> by far my
> "favorite" prep. For me, there is way less cramping and the
> smaller volume
> of fluid to drink is much more comfortable than GoLytely.
> Unfortunately, my
> gastroenterologist cannot be persuaded...
>
> Lisa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <GIN11153 at aol.com>
> To: <acc-circle at listserve.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [ACC-Circle] colonoscopy
>
>
>> WELCOME TO THE ACC-CIRCLE DISCUSSION LIST!
>> Strength in Unity: Join the ACC today: http://www.amcollege.org
>>
>> *********************************************************
>> With mine recently, I had to be on clear fluids for 48 hours with
>> no red
>> or
>> orange jello. I had to buy 2 of the little bottles of fleets
>> phosphasoda,
>> I
>> think they were 4 oz each, and drink one at 4pm and 7pm the night
>> before
>> the
>> colonoscopy. They taste vile, even mixed in apple juice.
>>
>> Gail Neuman RNC CPHW
>> student midwife and student nurse practitioner
>> certified high risk OB/OB legal consultant
>> Perinatal Nurse Associates
>> 801 N. Tustin Ave., Suite 305
>> Santa Ana, CA 92705
>> (714) 314-7070
>> (714) 838-1479 fax
>>
>> "God doesn't require us to succeed; he only requires that you
>> try."
>> --_Mother Teresa_
>> (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1979/teresa-
>> bio.html)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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