[NPInfo] 60 Minutes. Did you see?

Wed Mar 5 12:53:42 PST 2008

Sue,

I studied universal health care in 2005 in a health care policy class I took
in London. The numbers are probably not really that current but they provide
a good comparison of health care expenditures. The most recent numbers I
have that represent % of GDP spent for health care (more or less) for the
UK, Canada and the US are as follows:

UK: 6-7% of GDP (has a national health care program)
Canada: 8-9% (has a national health care program)
US: 15-16%

It is also predicted that health care spending in the US is expected to
increase 5-7% each year through 2017 according to Centers for Medicare and
Medicaid Services.

Hope this helps.

Rebecca
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From: npinfo-bounces at nurse.net [mailto:npinfo-bounces at nurse.net] On Behalf
Of Sue Wiers
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Subject: RE: [NPInfo] 60 Minutes. Did you see?

Such a complicated issue (universal health care/socialized medicine).  It
has been 10 years since I studied this in grad school, but the bottom line
as I recall is that we pay significantly more per capita than any other
developed nation, we are the only developed nation that does not insure each
member of our society, and we have no better (and in some cases worse)
outcomes.  Perhaps that picture has changed and we now have superior
outcomes for all of our expenditures (doubtful).  There definitely are flaws
in the systems other developed nations have, but ours fails so many, i.e,
the underinsured and uninsured.  There has to be a better way that covers
each member of our society.

Sue

> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 20:11:12 -0800> From: carla_rayne at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] 60 Minutes. Did you see?> To: npinfo at nurse.net> > I
did not see it, but that has always been one of my goals is to have a side
free clinic, or offer volunteer health services, once I get in the black
enough to pay my own bills. I am not there yet, but I think it is wonderful
that there is a group starting to make a significant difference. I think
that is the way to help balance out some of this incredibly expensive
healthcare..for example I am self employed and my health insurance costs me
438.00 a month because of my age, and some health conditions. That does not
include the deductible or co insurance. Do any of you experience that if you
are self employed? That is just way too much. It should be half that. There
are some policies out there now that work with Health Savings Accts, so that
you can put pre tax money in, and use it for your visits, but they still
work better when you are not self employed, and they have v
ery high deductibles. I would be interested in hearing what other insurance
plans people have, if> they are self employed. > > There was a program on
the radio today, speaking about whether we should have a socialized type
plan, and the rebuttal was that the AMA would put out an incredible spin as
they did back when Ronald Reagan proposed it, and then Hilary Clinton, and
convince people they would get substandard care, or have long waits, etc..
They said that America just has this view of remaining in a competitive
market, including the business of healthcare.. I think healthcare is a
business, but that there needs to be a balance, because it may be used as a
business, but a person's health is far different than servicing a car, or
selling a house, and cannot be thought of in the same way. Carla/Oregon> >
David Mittman <dmittman at advancedprac.com> wrote:> Cool. Help us help.> Dave>
On Mar 2, 2008, at 10:27 PM, Paula Sumner wrote:> > > oops, I just posted on
this, and did not see your postings. It was > > a gre
at story. Paula> >> > David Mittman wrote: Tonight they had a > > segment on
that if viewed, had to have moved you.> > If you care about people and care
for people it had to have even> > moved you more. I can only hope you saw
the segment on the> > organization that has started to provide free
volunteer healthcare to> > our citizens across the USA.> > They started out
as an international organization providing care in> > South America, etc.,
but now 60% is given throughout the USA.> > Their name is Remote Area
Medical (REM) http://www.ramusa.org/ .> > Anyone ever work with them? They
did a segment where they provided> > free care in Knoxville, TN and after
working their tails off, they> > still turned away 500 people. They did
interview an NP who was> > working with the group that weekend. Very
positive.> > I (we) would like to take the first of many steps to form a
liasion> > between the ACC and REM. First I need to talk with the Board. I
will> > try to collect information. If they check out and agree, we wo
uld put> > a link on our web site and ask all NPs and PAs to donate their
time> > and money. As a 15 minute segment was devoted to them tonight, I
can> > only suppose 60 Minutes checked them out significantly. So, I again>
> ask if you know anything about them?> > So, if they have it on their web
site, please watch the segment.> > Sometimes we can change the world one
person at a time.> > Dave> > Dave Mittman, PA> > Secretary> > American
College of Clinicianswww.amcollege.org> > Dave at comcast.netCell-973-865-4216>
>> > Read. Think. Join. Participate.> >> > We did not come over in the same
ship, but we ARE in the same boat.> >> >> >
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