From GIN11153 at aol.com Wed Jun 16 00:27:01 2004 From: GIN11153 at aol.com (GIN11153 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 03:27:01 EDT Subject: [PrvPracNP] No posts in weeks? Message-ID: <1da.241f6325.2e015045@aol.com> Boy, this list has been quiet. I hope you all aren't too busy to offer advice for me!! I have an opportunity to open a prenatal clinic here in So. Calif in 3-4 months when the office is renovated by the owner .I have my staff lined up-all I need is an OB/GYN to oversee the clinic(be the medical director), see the complications and do the deliveries. How much would one expect to pay a part time doctor like this? I did see on an OB/GYN listserv several months ago a post by an MD who was asking if the 7% a clinic was offering him was appropriate(he would bill his own c/sections but not the vag deliveries). Does the MD bring his own malpractice insurance policy? How does one recruit a physician anyway? I see several ads in the Los Angeles Sunday Times, but most are for GP/FP/Peds, not OB. Is hiring a locum tenens doc a good idea? Ideally, I'm trying to find a doc who already has a MediCal number,so that I could start as soon as we move in, as right now it takes 6-15 months for a new clinic to be approved for a clinic provider number. Yes, I do have Carolyn Buppert's book's new edition, but just wanted to ask all of you for what happens in 'real' life. Gail Neuman RNC CPHW SNP Perinatal education Perinatal Nurse Associates Tustin, CA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LauraHoemanARNP at aol.com Wed Jun 16 08:45:55 2004 From: LauraHoemanARNP at aol.com (LauraHoemanARNP at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:45:55 EDT Subject: [PrvPracNP] A very quiet list Message-ID: <9e.d2e29fd.2e01c533@aol.com> I'd noticed the list was quiet too. I thought maybe I'd somehow gotten removed from the list. As a psych. NP in Washington state, I have no idea about recruiting OB MDs, but good luck. --Laura Hoeman, Psych. NP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From CougRN02 at charter.net Wed Jun 16 14:32:42 2004 From: CougRN02 at charter.net (Kathy Hevly) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:32:42 -0700 Subject: [PrvPracNP] A very quiet list References: <9e.d2e29fd.2e01c533@aol.com> Message-ID: <001701c453e9$75825e60$6500a8c0@khevly> Hi Laura, I am also a soon to be psych NP in Washington state. I have all classes finished and am just finishing up my thesis. I am located in E. Wenatchee, WA. The list has been too quiet...I also thought I might have gotten dropped. Its nice to hear some voices...Kathy Hevly ----- Original Message ----- From: LauraHoemanARNP at aol.com To: prvpracnp at nurse.net Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: [PrvPracNP] A very quiet list I'd noticed the list was quiet too. I thought maybe I'd somehow gotten removed from the list. As a psych. NP in Washington state, I have no idea about recruiting OB MDs, but good luck. --Laura Hoeman, Psych. NP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrvPracNP mailing list PrvPracNP at nurse.net http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From CougRN02 at charter.net Wed Jun 16 14:38:22 2004 From: CougRN02 at charter.net (Kathy Hevly) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:38:22 -0700 Subject: [PrvPracNP] No posts in weeks? References: <1da.241f6325.2e015045@aol.com> Message-ID: <002a01c453ea$3fe2d720$6500a8c0@khevly> Congratulations... and good luck. Sounds exciting. As for offers, I am as lost as you.We work with locum tenens alot and they are great but it seems you just get in the groove with one and they move on and a new one comes in... Kathy Hevly, soon to be psych ARNP ----- Original Message ----- From: GIN11153 at aol.com To: prvpracnp at nurse.net Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 12:27 AM Subject: [PrvPracNP] No posts in weeks? Boy, this list has been quiet. I hope you all aren't too busy to offer advice for me!! I have an opportunity to open a prenatal clinic here in So. Calif in 3-4 months when the office is renovated by the owner .I have my staff lined up-all I need is an OB/GYN to oversee the clinic(be the medical director), see the complications and do the deliveries. How much would one expect to pay a part time doctor like this? I did see on an OB/GYN listserv several months ago a post by an MD who was asking if the 7% a clinic was offering him was appropriate(he would bill his own c/sections but not the vag deliveries). Does the MD bring his own malpractice insurance policy? How does one recruit a physician anyway? I see several ads in the Los Angeles Sunday Times, but most are for GP/FP/Peds, not OB. Is hiring a locum tenens doc a good idea? Ideally, I'm trying to find a doc who already has a MediCal number,so that I could start as soon as we move in, as right now it takes 6-15 months for a new clinic to be approved for a clinic provider number. Yes, I do have Carolyn Buppert's book's new edition, but just wanted to ask all of you for what happens in 'real' life. Gail Neuman RNC CPHW SNP Perinatal education Perinatal Nurse Associates Tustin, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrvPracNP mailing list PrvPracNP at nurse.net http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfpnp at ameritech.net Wed Jun 16 17:43:43 2004 From: dfpnp at ameritech.net (Diego F. Perez NP) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PrvPracNP] No posts in weeks? In-Reply-To: <1da.241f6325.2e015045@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040617004343.71545.qmail@web52501.mail.yahoo.com> To All, Possibly the list was quiet due to the AANP 19th Annual National Conference this week in New Orleans. As usual, it was awesome, about 2500 NP's from all over (the world) convened for some great educational sessions from A-line / Central line insertion to Zen Techniques in the Psychosocial needs of Terminal Cancer patients. Next year it is in Ft. Lauderdale. Diego F. Perez ACNP Toledo, OH GIN11153 at aol.com wrote: Boy, this list has been quiet. I hope you all aren't too busy to offer advice for me!! I have an opportunity to open a prenatal clinic here in So. Calif in 3-4 months when the office is renovated by the owner .I have my staff lined up-all I need is an OB/GYN to oversee the clinic(be the medical director), see the complications and do the deliveries. How much would one expect to pay a part time doctor like this? I did see on an OB/GYN listserv several months ago a post by an MD who was asking if the 7% a clinic was offering him was appropriate(he would bill his own c/sections but not the vag deliveries). Does the MD bring his own malpractice insurance policy? How does one recruit a physician anyway? I see several ads in the Los Angeles Sunday Times, but most are for GP/FP/Peds, not OB. Is hiring a locum tenens doc a good idea? Ideally, I'm trying to find a doc who already has a MediCal number,so that I could start as soon as we move in, as right now it takes 6-15 months for a new clinic to be approved for a clinic provider number. Yes, I do have Carolyn Buppert's book's new edition, but just wanted to ask all of you for what happens in 'real' life. Gail Neuman RNC CPHW SNP Perinatal education Perinatal Nurse Associates Tustin, CA _______________________________________________ PrvPracNP mailing list PrvPracNP at nurse.net http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pamme at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 16 18:27:44 2004 From: pamme at sbcglobal.net (Pr. Pamela A. Provost N.P.) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:27:44 -0500 Subject: [PrvPracNP]Missed the AANP conference.. References: <20040617004343.71545.qmail@web52501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <029c01c4540a$4af45830$209cfea9@VAIO> At least I can stop worrying about it now. It was held in my fave city to visit and party in the US. Was it wonderful as usual? Any logistic problems? The last one I went to was in Reno. Nightmare, but still managed to have a great time. Alrighty then, Fort Lauderdale here I come next year. With starting my new buines in mid March, and going back for some post grad studies online this fall, I knew there was no way I could fit it in either my financial or time budgets lol. Do tell all about it. Please. Sorry I missed that course. Sounded like a humdinger. What were the best seminars? The best goodie? The best night outs? Ciao my friend, Pamme ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: Diego F. Perez NP To: Private Practice NPs Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [PrvPracNP] No posts in weeks? To All, Possibly the list was quiet due to the AANP 19th Annual National Conference this week in New Orleans. As usual, it was awesome, about 2500 NP's from all over (the world) convened for some great educational sessions from A-line / Central line insertion to Zen Techniques in the Psychosocial needs of Terminal Cancer patients. Next year it is in Ft. Lauderdale. Diego F. Perez ACNP Toledo, OH GIN11153 at aol.com wrote: Boy, this list has been quiet. I hope you all aren't too busy to offer advice for me!! I have an opportunity to open a prenatal clinic here in So. Calif in 3-4 months when the office is renovated by the owner .I have my staff lined up-all I need is an OB/GYN to oversee the clinic(be the medical director), see the complications and do the deliveries. How much would one expect to pay a part time doctor like this? I did see on an OB/GYN listserv several months ago a post by an MD who was asking if the 7% a clinic was offering him was appropriate(he would bill his own c/sections but not the vag deliveries). Does the MD bring his own malpractice insurance policy? How does one recruit a physician anyway? I see several ads in the Los Angeles Sunday Times, but most are f! or GP/FP/Peds, not OB. Is hiring a locum tenens doc a good idea? Ideally, I'm trying to find a doc who already has a MediCal number,so that I could start as soon as we move in, as right now it takes 6-15 months for a new clinic to be approved for a clinic provider number. Yes, I do have Carolyn Buppert's book's new edition, but just wanted to ask all of you for what happens in 'real' life. Gail Neuman RNC CPHW SNP Perinatal education Perinatal Nurse Associates Tustin, CA _______________________________________________ PrvPracNP mailing list PrvPracNP at nurse.net http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrvPracNP mailing list PrvPracNP at nurse.net http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From SamaraFNP at aol.com Thu Jun 17 12:42:28 2004 From: SamaraFNP at aol.com (SamaraFNP at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:42:28 EDT Subject: [PrvPracNP] Re: PrvPracNP Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 Message-ID: You know, I was going to give up being an NP in practice and teach nursing. I was offered (with 30 years experience and a masters in nursing) $43,000. This was only 20.67/hr, what I got as an early RN. I know some LPNs getting this. I cannot believe that the educators of nurses would get paid so little. so devalued, no wonder there is a shortage of nurses and nurse educators. Sincerely, Marla Spring MSN, FNP-C, MLC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LauraHoemanARNP at aol.com Thu Jun 17 13:24:13 2004 From: LauraHoemanARNP at aol.com (LauraHoemanARNP at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:24:13 EDT Subject: [PrvPracNP] Re: PrvPracNP Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 Message-ID: <42.50c1102e.2e0357ed@aol.com> True. That's insulting. If employers can get us cheap, they will try to do it. That's why I persist in private practice...because insurers pay us comparable to what they pay MDs, so our income is comparable to MDs potentially, and we control our own income level. Enough with employers who don't understand our value! --Laura -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ctmidwife at hotmail.com Thu Jun 17 14:14:47 2004 From: ctmidwife at hotmail.com (Alison Trider) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:14:47 -0400 Subject: [PrvPracNP] RE: nursing & academia Message-ID: Hi Marla! Funny you should bring this up..... I was just offered an assistant professor position at a school of nursing. The salary is about $30K less than what I will make this year in salary & profit sharing at my MD owned private practice CNM position. However, I am taking the job. There are quality of life issues that I think make the trade off worth it (at least in my case). I won't be on call anymore. I won't be working Xmas anymore. I will have a month off between mid dec. & mid jan. I will have the entire summer off. I have 4 little kids. This is really important to me. So, yes I agree with you that it is completely ridiculous to expect the best & brightest nurses to return to the universities to teach when you can make *so* much more in the private sector... but, for me at the moment, it works!!! Also, I think that this is the case with all of academia. You can make more $$ working in private sector. So, did you decline this position or take it? I am thinking that in time I might be able to work out a little part time private practice gig to nicely complement my work in the university. Does anyone else have that sort of arrangement? Alison Trider, MS, APRN, CNM Connecticut >From: SamaraFNP at aol.com >Reply-To: Private Practice NPs >To: prvpracnp at nurse.net >Subject: [PrvPracNP] Re: PrvPracNP Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:42:28 EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc8-f11.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.147]) by mc8-s11.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:46:42 -0700 >Received: from merlin.wizards.net ([207.173.190.1]) by mc8-f11.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:46:21 -0700 >Received: from merlin.wizards.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])by >merlin.wizards.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5HJabf21132;Thu, 17 Jun >2004 12:36:38 -0700 >Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208])by >merlin.wizards.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5HJaSf21121for >; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:36:28 -0700 >Received: from SamaraFNP at aol.comby imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) >id b.ea.5133492e (4254)for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:42:29 >-0400 (EDT) >X-Message-Info: jl7Vrt/mfspxmCp+cCD9/dfKK0s+jR9K >Message-ID: >X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 >X-BeenThere: prvpracnp at nurse.net >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Private Practice NPs >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: prvpracnp-bounces at nurse.net >Return-Path: prvpracnp-bounces at nurse.net >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2004 19:46:21.0382 (UTC) >FILETIME=[C3C0EE60:01C454A3] > >You know, I was going to give up being an NP in practice and teach >nursing. >I was offered (with 30 years experience and a masters in nursing) $43,000. >This was only 20.67/hr, what I got as an early RN. I know some LPNs >getting >this. I cannot believe that the educators of nurses would get paid so >little. so devalued, no wonder there is a shortage of nurses and nurse >educators. > >Sincerely, >Marla Spring MSN, FNP-C, MLC >_______________________________________________ >PrvPracNP mailing list >PrvPracNP at nurse.net >http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp >% You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up ? now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From psumner2 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 14:51:14 2004 From: psumner2 at yahoo.com (Paula J. Sumner) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PrvPracNP] Re: PrvPracNP Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040617215114.73840.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> Marla, there is an advantage to teaching 9 months and having the summer off. And the long xmas holidays are great. I was on a grant for 9 mos in a GNP program as a clinical instructor. Loved it. Didn't love the drive so much and the confusion about where I was to be based. The grant position was not renewed ( i think i po'd the director) so I finished early may and was paid thru june. As my brother noted, you could teach the school year then do other work during the summer-even bartend at the beach, make great money in tips, lol. should have done it-too. soemthimes it is not about the money. paula SamaraFNP at aol.com wrote: You know, I was going to give up being an NP in practice and teach nursing. I was offered (with 30 years experience and a masters in nursing) $43,000. This was only 20.67/hr, what I got as an early RN. I know some LPNs getting this. I cannot believe that the educators of nurses would get paid so little. so devalued, no wonder there is a shortage of nurses and nurse educators. Sincerely, Marla Spring MSN, FNP-C, MLC _______________________________________________ PrvPracNP mailing list PrvPracNP at nurse.net http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page Paula Joan Sumner RN, MSN, CFNP Hypnotherapist, Healing Touch Practitioner, Emotional Freedom Technique For Peak Performance Issues, Stress Management, Pain Management, Weight Management and Smoking Cessation. Durham, NC 27707 http://paulajsumner.byregion.net reference# 10102918 http:/www.geocities.com/energy_healing4you 919-490-4656, #8 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psumner2 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 14:58:37 2004 From: psumner2 at yahoo.com (Paula J. Sumner) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PrvPracNP] No posts in weeks? In-Reply-To: <1da.241f6325.2e015045@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040617215837.17647.qmail@web51602.mail.yahoo.com> Do you personally know any OB/Gyns? I'd start there. remember to check the credentials, and yes, they should have own malp insurance-expensive expense for the docs in this specialty. Look at FP/GP who do deliveries. Any midwife clinics in the area, could you call and find out who they use or for recommendations as who to hire.. The MD will make money on referrals, montoring complications and deliveries.. Why does there need to be a medical director? why not independent contractor or one of the providers? Locums are expensive and don't stay beyond the contract. Does the prior owner have any contacts?? just some thoughts__paula GIN11153 at aol.com wrote: Boy, this list has been quiet. I hope you all aren't too busy to offer advice for me!! I have an opportunity to open a prenatal clinic here in So. Calif in 3-4 months when the office is renovated by the owner .I have my staff lined up-all I need is an OB/GYN to oversee the clinic(be the medical director), see the complications and do the deliveries. How much would one expect to pay a part time doctor like this? I did see on an OB/GYN listserv several months ago a post by an MD who was asking if the 7% a clinic was offering him was appropriate(he would bill his own c/sections but not the vag deliveries). Does the MD bring his own malpractice insurance policy? How does one recruit a physician anyway? I see several ads in the Los Angeles Sunday Times, but most are for GP/FP/Peds, not OB. Is hiring a locum tenens doc a good idea? Ideally, I'm trying to find a doc who already has a MediCal number,so that I could start as soon as we move in, as right now it takes 6-15 months for a new clinic to be approved for a clinic provider number. Yes, I do have Carolyn Buppert's book's new edition, but just wanted to ask all of you for what happens in 'real' life. Gail Neuman RNC CPHW SNP Perinatal education Perinatal Nurse Associates Tustin, CA _______________________________________________ PrvPracNP mailing list PrvPracNP at nurse.net http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page Paula Joan Sumner RN, MSN, CFNP Hypnotherapist, Healing Touch Practitioner, Emotional Freedom Technique For Peak Performance Issues, Stress Management, Pain Management, Weight Management and Smoking Cessation. Durham, NC 27707 http://paulajsumner.byregion.net reference# 10102918 http:/www.geocities.com/energy_healing4you 919-490-4656, #8 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psumner2 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 15:01:18 2004 From: psumner2 at yahoo.com (Paula J. Sumner) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [PrvPracNP] Re: PrvPracNP Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040617220118.76105.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> Marla, how do you like that therapist website you're on? How active is it? how many contacts d you get? i am thinking of Find A Theraist.com, they get a lot of press, but are a bit pricier. Paula SamaraFNP at aol.com wrote: You know, I was going to give up being an NP in practice and teach nursing. I was offered (with 30 years experience and a masters in nursing) $43,000. This was only 20.67/hr, what I got as an early RN. I know some LPNs getting this. I cannot believe that the educators of nurses would get paid so little. so devalued, no wonder there is a shortage of nurses and nurse educators. Sincerely, Marla Spring MSN, FNP-C, MLC _______________________________________________ PrvPracNP mailing list PrvPracNP at nurse.net http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page Paula Joan Sumner RN, MSN, CFNP Hypnotherapist, Healing Touch Practitioner, Emotional Freedom Technique For Peak Performance Issues, Stress Management, Pain Management, Weight Management and Smoking Cessation. Durham, NC 27707 http://paulajsumner.byregion.net reference# 10102918 http:/www.geocities.com/energy_healing4you 919-490-4656, #8 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pamme at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 17 15:59:39 2004 From: pamme at sbcglobal.net (Pr. Pamela A. Provost N.P.) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:59:39 -0500 Subject: [PrvPracNP] RE: nursing & academia&independent contracting as your own company References: Message-ID: <001a01c454be$c5808470$209cfea9@VAIO> That's why I went into private practice as an independent contractor. I work when I want. I pay myself what I want and I make a lot more money than I did working for someone else. I keep shaking my head over the fact that I didn't do this a long time ago. When I first became an NP, my mentor was well into this path. However, she did experience some downtime given her location. She eventually went to Aruba or one of those islands that have the AMA accepted Med School for NP's who want to become MD's. She basically got fed up with the good old boy network. I am thrilled to be in my own business. Had no problem getting a collaborator and I got one of my contractees to pay her malpractice, her licenses and script pad costs as well as advertising. I would have given her shares in my company, but there was no need with all the perks I was able to get for her as her agent. I wouldn't give up owning my own company nor working for myself for the world. It's my practice; I charge what I want; I credentialed with only those who would consistently pay decently and I found two excellent mental health centers that were knocking themselves over for my services. So, I don't need to be bothered with billers, schedulers or office personnel nor location. I pay a small percentage of my total intake for these services. If I only work 20 hours a month, and only see 20 patients, they only get the percentage for fees collected. I have time to go on vacation. I have time to go out with friends. I have time for my daughters who are both in college. I have money for my daughters in college. I am socking away a bundle for my retirement and I am off the 16 more years to work and am now down to 8. I don't have any work to take home and I don't take call. IF my patients have an emergency, they are to go to the Emergency room and be seen by the hospitalist. This makes the hospitals and the hospitalists (NP and MD) happy as it gives them patients as well and revenue. Everybody wins. LOL. Can you tell that I am just a touch over the top with happiness at finally making this move to freedom? Good luck with your teaching. Been there. Too much take home work. Love to teach and don't mind doing it on the talk circuit or as adjunct faculty. Ciao for now, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Trider" To: Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 4:14 PM Subject: [PrvPracNP] RE: nursing & academia > Hi Marla! Funny you should bring this up..... I was just offered an > assistant professor position at a school of nursing. The salary is about > $30K less than what I will make this year in salary & profit sharing at my > MD owned private practice CNM position. However, I am taking the job. > There are quality of life issues that I think make the trade off worth it > (at least in my case). I won't be on call anymore. I won't be working Xmas > anymore. I will have a month off between mid dec. & mid jan. I will have > the entire summer off. I have 4 little kids. This is really important to > me. So, yes I agree with you that it is completely ridiculous to expect the > best & brightest nurses to return to the universities to teach when you can > make *so* much more in the private sector... but, for me at the moment, it > works!!! > > Also, I think that this is the case with all of academia. You can make more > $$ working in private sector. > > So, did you decline this position or take it? I am thinking that in time I > might be able to work out a little part time private practice gig to nicely > complement my work in the university. Does anyone else have that sort of > arrangement? > > > Alison Trider, MS, APRN, CNM > Connecticut > > > >From: SamaraFNP at aol.com > >Reply-To: Private Practice NPs > >To: prvpracnp at nurse.net > >Subject: [PrvPracNP] Re: PrvPracNP Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 > >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:42:28 EDT > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from mc8-f11.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.147]) by mc8-s11.hotmail.com > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:46:42 -0700 > >Received: from merlin.wizards.net ([207.173.190.1]) by mc8-f11.hotmail.com > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:46:21 -0700 > >Received: from merlin.wizards.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])by > >merlin.wizards.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5HJabf21132;Thu, 17 Jun > >2004 12:36:38 -0700 > >Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208])by > >merlin.wizards.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5HJaSf21121for > >; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:36:28 -0700 > >Received: from SamaraFNP at aol.comby imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) > >id b.ea.5133492e (4254)for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:42:29 > >-0400 (EDT) > >X-Message-Info: jl7Vrt/mfspxmCp+cCD9/dfKK0s+jR9K > >Message-ID: > >X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 > >X-BeenThere: prvpracnp at nurse.net > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 > >Precedence: list > >List-Id: Private Practice NPs > >List-Unsubscribe: > >, > >List-Archive: > >List-Post: > >List-Help: > >List-Subscribe: > >, > >Errors-To: prvpracnp-bounces at nurse.net > >Return-Path: prvpracnp-bounces at nurse.net > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2004 19:46:21.0382 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[C3C0EE60:01C454A3] > > > >You know, I was going to give up being an NP in practice and teach > >nursing. > >I was offered (with 30 years experience and a masters in nursing) $43,000. > >This was only 20.67/hr, what I got as an early RN. I know some LPNs > >getting > >this. I cannot believe that the educators of nurses would get paid so > >little. so devalued, no wonder there is a shortage of nurses and nurse > >educators. > > > >Sincerely, > >Marla Spring MSN, FNP-C, MLC > >_______________________________________________ > >PrvPracNP mailing list > >PrvPracNP at nurse.net > >http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp > >% You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up ? now 3 months FREE! > http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > PrvPracNP mailing list > PrvPracNP at nurse.net > http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp > % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 19732 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pamme at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 17 16:02:27 2004 From: pamme at sbcglobal.net (Pr. Pamela A. Provost N.P.) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:02:27 -0500 Subject: [PrvPracNP] Re: PrvPracNP Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 References: <42.50c1102e.2e0357ed@aol.com> Message-ID: <002f01c454bf$2967ed20$209cfea9@VAIO> To what are you responding Laura? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: LauraHoemanARNP at aol.com To: prvpracnp at nurse.net Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [PrvPracNP] Re: PrvPracNP Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 True. That's insulting. If employers can get us cheap, they will try to do it. That's why I persist in private practice...because insurers pay us comparable to what they pay MDs, so our income is comparable to MDs potentially, and we control our own income level. Enough with employers who don't understand our value! --Laura ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrvPracNP mailing list PrvPracNP at nurse.net http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pamme at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 17 16:13:31 2004 From: pamme at sbcglobal.net (Pr. Pamela A. Provost N.P.) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:13:31 -0500 Subject: [PrvPracNP] Re: PrvPracNP Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 References: Message-ID: <007901c454c0$b5831fe0$209cfea9@VAIO> Isn't that the truth Marla. Hey, I thought you were going to do some post grad studies? Ciao, Pamme ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: SamaraFNP at aol.com To: prvpracnp at nurse.net Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: [PrvPracNP] Re: PrvPracNP Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 You know, I was going to give up being an NP in practice and teach nursing. I was offered (with 30 years experience and a masters in nursing) $43,000. This was only 20.67/hr, what I got as an early RN. I know some LPNs getting this. I cannot believe that the educators of nurses would get paid so little. so devalued, no wonder there is a shortage of nurses and nurse educators. Sincerely, Marla Spring MSN, FNP-C, MLC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrvPracNP mailing list PrvPracNP at nurse.net http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From CougRN02 at charter.net Thu Jun 17 23:09:28 2004 From: CougRN02 at charter.net (Kathy Hevly) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:09:28 -0700 Subject: [PrvPracNP] A very quiet list References: <87.e7e2fc2.2e027d7c@aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c454fa$d07dd080$6500a8c0@khevly> Hey Laura, My thesis is looking at depression and gender specificity of our depression screening tools. I am giving the CES-D and the Edinburgh Postpartum Depression Screening to a group of depressed men. I will then compare the results. Will they both adequately pick up depression in men? If they do, is the EPDS really a gender specific tool for postpartum women? If they don't, would we pick up more male depression with a more gender specific screening tool for men? It should be interesting.... after graduation, I'm not sure... I have already interviewed a couple of times. I have to pass boards first.....Kathy Hevly ----- Original Message ----- From: LauraHoemanARNP at aol.com To: prvpracnp at nurse.net Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [PrvPracNP] A very quiet list Good for you! It's a great career. I graduated in March 2002, worked four months at a state hospital waiting for prescriptive authority to come through, and then worked a year and a half at a state prison prescribing for what seemed like millions of people. I've been in private practice five months and I really enjoy it. What's your thesis on? What do you plan to do when you graduate? --Laura Hoeman, Psych. NP in private practice in Olympia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrvPracNP mailing list PrvPracNP at nurse.net http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pamme at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 18 12:01:29 2004 From: pamme at sbcglobal.net (Pr. Pamela A. Provost N.P.) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:01:29 -0500 Subject: [PrvPracNP] Somebody mentioned teaching. Here is what NC is doing to help out... Message-ID: <004e01c45566$ab18f060$209cfea9@VAIO> My VistaPrint Electronic Business CardNorth Carolina group works to forestall crisis-level nursing shortages A North Carolina nursing task force has released a report with 47 recommendations for avoiding a nursing crisis in the state. The report puts focus on a faculty fellows program, and the state hospital association has obtained a $1.5 million grant to provide fellowships for 21 nurses to obtain master's degrees in nursing. Nurses who receive the fellowships must agree to teach at the community college level for a certain period after graduation. Hospitalconnect.com (6/17) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 43 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 225 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Love ya, Pamme ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Hevly To: Private Practice NPs Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [PrvPracNP] A very quiet list Hey Laura, My thesis is looking at depression and gender specificity of our depression screening tools. I am giving the CES-D and the Edinburgh Postpartum Depression Screening to a group of depressed men. I will then compare the results. Will they both adequately pick up depression in men? If they do, is the EPDS really a gender specific tool for postpartum women? If they don't, would we pick up more male depression with a more gender specific screening tool for men? It should be interesting.... after graduation, I'm not sure... I have already interviewed a couple of times. I have to pass boards first.....Kathy Hevly ----- Original Message ----- From: LauraHoemanARNP at aol.com To: prvpracnp at nurse.net Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [PrvPracNP] A very quiet list Good for you! It's a great career. I graduated in March 2002, worked four months at a state hospital waiting for prescriptive authority to come through, and then worked a year and a half at a state prison prescribing for what seemed like millions of people. I've been in private practice five months and I really enjoy it. What's your thesis on? What do you plan to do when you graduate? --Laura Hoeman, Psych. NP in private practice in Olympia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ PrvPracNP mailing list PrvPracNP at nurse.net http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrvPracNP mailing list PrvPracNP at nurse.net http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SamaraFNP at aol.com Fri Jun 18 13:16:08 2004 From: SamaraFNP at aol.com (SamaraFNP at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:16:08 EDT Subject: [PrvPracNP] Re: PrvPracNP Digest, Vol 4, Issue 3 Message-ID: <9a.d625a31.2e04a788@aol.com> I have not yet accepted the position teaching. They are giving me til July 22 to make the decision. It is a 12 month a year position, no summers off. The LPN program is 13 months straight, only 2 weeks off for this 43,000. I'm so torn. I could travel 80 miles each way and make 75,000 in a practice that is me alone half the week, and the doc and I the rest. Quality of life is an issue. I cannot find a doc to collaborate with me here in roanoke, va. I have asked around. I have my "own" business and it is not taking off, only a few hundred a month with the rent i was paying. times are tough and yet, i feel if i accept the academia position I am allowing this abuse to continue. Thank you all so much for your feedback. Keep it coming. PS, last year with my own business and working perdeim I made 82,000 and to to to 43,000.......................but the folks are sososososos nice and said when the RN program is up and running 2 years from now I'd be first in line to be DEAN of the school with a msn. 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Could you not continue your private practice part time, while you teach? Trying to think of lots of options here lol. I can't wait to start my online courses in the Fall. I love learning. And I have a little space left on the wall for another degree/certificate/board certification hahaha. Love ya, Pamme ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: SamaraFNP at aol.com To: prvpracnp at nurse.net Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: [PrvPracNP] Re: PrvPracNP Digest, Vol 4, Issue 3 I have not yet accepted the position teaching. They are giving me til July 22 to make the decision. It is a 12 month a year position, no summers off. The LPN program is 13 months straight, only 2 weeks off for this 43,000. I'm so torn. I could travel 80 miles each way and make 75,000 in a practice that is me alone half the week, and the doc and I the rest. Quality of life is an issue. I cannot find a doc to collaborate with me here in roanoke, va. I have asked around. I have my "own" business and it is not taking off, only a few hundred a month with the rent i was paying. times are tough and yet, i feel if i accept the academia position I am allowing this abuse to continue. Thank you all so much for your feedback. Keep it coming. PS, last year with my own business and working perdeim I made 82,000 and to to to 43,000.......................but the folks are sososososos nice and said when the RN program is up and running 2 years from now I'd be first in line to be DEAN of the school with a msn. Sincerely, Marla Spring MSN, FNP-C, MLC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ PrvPracNP mailing list PrvPracNP at nurse.net http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/prvpracnp % You can change you list options and unsubscribe from this page -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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